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#1 User is offline   spectro46 

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Posted 2026-March-16, 11:49

In Acol Bridge if North opens 1 Club and East passes, can South, with only 1 Club, bid 1 Heart having 5 Hearts and just 2 HCPs, to avoid getting left in Clubs?
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Posted 2026-March-16, 11:58

No.

The system says to Pass.
Logic suggests that West is unlikely to pass it out anyway.
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Posted 2026-March-16, 12:47

Not in Acol, but playing a short club and transfers you can do.
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Posted 2026-March-16, 13:20

View Postmw64ahw, on 2026-March-16, 12:47, said:

Not in Acol, but playing a short club and transfers you can do.

I doubt that anyone is teaching new players transfers over 1!
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Posted Yesterday, 04:54

Hi,

You always can bid.

The risk is, that your 1H response gets partner exited.
The thing is, you know that you want p to pass 1H, but your
p does not know, that you want him to pass.

If you have 4 diamonds, 5 hearts, 3 spades, you could try to
bid 1D intending to pass any response.
The main problem with 1H is, that you may miss a diamond fit.

Keep in mind, that I dont like to recommending starting with
your shorter suit, but if you are really serious about starting
a rescue mission, bid 1D, even holding 5 hearts.

In general I would say: stick to the rule, pass with less than 6HCP,
you can weaken this further down the road.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted Yesterday, 12:52

Agreeing with the above. You are always *allowed* to bid; it's just that sometimes it's not the right thing to do, or what your system says is correct; and sometimes it's bad for partnership harmony.

On the plus side for bidding: partner will be unhappy playing in 1 on the 4-1 (or 3-1) fit.

One the minus side for bidding: 1 is *forcing* (in most systems, even most Acol variants), and you will be playing 2, or partner plays 1 at best, or partner plays 1NT (if partner has 15-17 Balanced without 4 hearts) or 2NT (18-19) at worst. (or you're playing 3 or 4 hearts!) If partner isn't going to like playing 1 on the bad fit, they're not really going to like playing 2NT with 20 points, no long suit and no entry. He might even blame you for the horrible result, especially if he's 18 high with AKQTx, or if 4th hand would have bid and saved you.

So:
  • System says "pass, hope it's okay or you get saved". Doing the system thing is never wrong, even if it isn't right.
  • If you choose to bid, you are violating system (even if you think it's right). Which means that you should feel responsible for the result. (one meta-rule I have: "If I step out, and it's right, we bid well. If I step out and it's wrong, the result is 100% on me"). If partner complains, apologize and move on.
  • If this is a regular partnership, though, it doesn't matter what I think, or P_Marlowe, or Cyberyeti, or anyone else. If partner prefers to struggle in 1 on these hands and not have to worry about "what if partner bid on nothing again?" on the other ones, then do what partner wants. Whether it's "better" or not, it won't be better enough to have partner upset about the one hand, or on edge all session after that hand. Conversely, if partner agrees with you that you should rescue him, then do so. (If partner is going to complain no matter what bad contract you put him in, well that's not a problem the internet can solve :-)

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