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#1 User is offline   AL78 

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Posted 2025-December-03, 17:58



Opponents playing 5CM, North is a scratch partner playing Acol, weak NT, 3 weak twos. What do you do?
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Posted 2025-December-03, 22:13

Pass
"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
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Posted 2025-December-03, 22:23

Matchpoints? Do I need a top? Then double and lead a trump. Imps…pass at something approximating the speed of light.
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Posted Yesterday, 01:40

Pass?

Be grateful that p is alive.
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Posted Yesterday, 01:43

With partner a passed hand, the flat shape and defensive values do not make a 9-trick contract our way a fancy place to play.

West correcting back to 3S would be a surprisingly pleasant evolution of the bidding, but most likely we ll end up leading C as much as possible to limit dummy s S ruffs.
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Posted Yesterday, 13:46

I passed based on holding good defence and I thought there was a chance EW might walk into a disaster. I was right:



I doubled on the assumption we probably have a heart contract our way and I was trying to get +200. If they pull to 4♣ I'm whacking that as well. +500 got us a near top, the only score to beat us was a +1100 for 5♣X-4.

The EW post-mortem revolved along the idea that because they were playing 5 card majors, East thought that if he opened 1♣, his partner would think he has denied a five card major suit, so he thought it best to bid the five card major first.
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Posted Yesterday, 14:26

View PostAL78, on 2025-December-04, 13:46, said:

I passed based on holding good defence and I thought there was a chance EW might walk into a disaster. I was right:



I doubled on the assumption we probably have a heart contract our way and I was trying to get +200. If they pull to 4♣ I'm whacking that as well. +500 got us a near top, the only score to beat us was a +1100 for 5♣X-4.

The EW post-mortem revolved along the idea that because they were playing 5 card majors, East thought that if he opened 1♣, his partner would think he has denied a five card major suit, so he thought it best to bid the five card major first.

North has an opening bid?
I mean, I am pretty conservative, but I guess, even I would have found a 1H opening bid.
Although 420 is less than 500.
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Posted Yesterday, 14:45

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2025-December-04, 14:26, said:

North has an opening bid?
I mean, I am pretty conservative, but I guess, even I would have found a 1H opening bid.
Although 420 is less than 500.


I agree, I did wonder at the time what sort of hand couldn't open 1 or 2♥ but could find a 2♥ overcall, admittedly in the protective seat.
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Posted Yesterday, 15:45

View PostAL78, on 2025-December-04, 14:45, said:

I agree, I did wonder at the time what sort of hand couldn't open 1 or 2♥ but could find a 2♥ overcall, admittedly in the protective seat.


One firm partnership agreement of mine is that there is no such hand.
It helps to agree that one may open 2M with 4oM.
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Posted Yesterday, 15:53

View Postmikeh, on 2025-December-03, 22:23, said:

. Imps…pass at something approximating the speed of light.

I know you are joking but for those who may not, you’re going to have the Director at your table.
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Posted Today, 03:02

Lucky you. You would have had a bad score had the opponents knew what they were doing simply because partner refused to open. I don't know you styles, but either 1♥/2♥ or 3♥ should fit it, and an opening pass should be banned on this North hand.
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Posted Today, 03:19

View Postpescetom, on 2025-December-04, 15:45, said:

One firm partnership agreement of mine is that there is no such hand.
It helps to agree that one may open 2M with 4oM.

I could picture hands with a 5 card heart suit that bid the way North bid,
a ragged 6 card suit is also possible, but not this suit.
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Posted Today, 04:03

View PostAL78, on 2025-December-04, 13:46, said:

The EW post-mortem revolved along the idea that because they were playing 5 card majors, East thought that if he opened 1♣, his partner would think he has denied a five card major suit, so he thought it best to bid the five card major first.


How many wouuld 200 have scored you which is what you should be getting ?

This is a clear 1♥ opener
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Posted Today, 05:04

View PostCyberyeti, on 2025-December-05, 04:03, said:

How many wouuld 200 have scored you which is what you should be getting ?

This is a clear 1♥ opener

If you play the rule of 19.
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Posted Today, 05:20

View Postmw64ahw, on 2025-December-05, 05:04, said:

If you play the rule of 19.


If you have any clue about hand valuation, it's 6 rock solid playing tricks, you need to open it, it's worth way more than 10 points

I don't always agree with K&R, but that assesses this as 13.2
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Posted Today, 05:33

View PostCyberyeti, on 2025-December-05, 05:20, said:

If you have any clue about hand valuation, it's 6 rock solid playing tricks, you need to open it, it's worth way more than 10 points

I don't always agree with K&R, but that assesses this as 13.2

I'm not disagreeing with opening 1♥; just stating that many club players won't.
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