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#1 User is offline   pork rind 

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Posted 2005-July-22, 18:47

Scoring: XIMP

bidding goes
E S W N
1s p 1n 2h
4s ppp

you are south.
you lead 5 of hearts (starting hi lo(standard signals) partner wins the q of hearts.
partner then shifts to the k of diamonds. east plays the j of diamond

plan the defense which 4 tricks do you hope to win??????????? :)
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Posted 2005-July-22, 23:25

This is a marvelous question, at least for me, because I always get my reasoning backwards in such situations.
As I see, your play to trick 2 is another potential example of the dog that didn't bark (my favorite bridge theme). You don't know whether partner has 5 or 6 hearts, although partner knows. When P sees his king of diamond hold the trick, he is going to look at whether or not you encouraged or discouraged. Don't just play a high diamond automatically to show the Ace: the play of the cards makes it quite evident that you have the ace. But, if you have a singleton heart, you want P to switch (attitude first), and should, therefore, play whatever type of card you have agreed to play as a discouraging signal. P will ask self why you are discouraging the suit when he knows you have the ace, and will, hopefully deduce that you have a stiff heart and wish a ruff. Encouraging initially in diamonds should show a dbltn heart, so you need to take the diamonds first lest declarer play loser on loser, pitching a diamond on the 3rd round of hearts.

Since I know automatically (from repeated experience) that my analysis and reasoning have to be wrong, someone please explain to me where I am going wrong in my thought process.
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Posted 2005-July-23, 06:48

I read partner for a 6 card ♥ suit, most likely as he probably would have continued otherwise, also if declarer is a good bidder he wouldn't jump to 4 spades with 4 immediate losers.

Partner has the King and Queen ♦ or King and X ♦ doubleton. You must initially encourage partner to play a second diamond, so that declarer doesn't have a chance to make a loser on loser play on second round of hearts.

Overtake the second round of diamonds with the Ace and play a third diamond hopefully uppercutting declarer when partner ruffs with his hypothetical J spades.

This will cause a trump promotion for your Q ♠, down 1. :rolleyes:

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Posted 2005-July-23, 08:10

and if declarer ruffs the second round of diamonds?.................
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Posted 2005-July-23, 09:58

B) AT THIS POINT BOTH OF YOU ARE SETTING THE HAND, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE REASONS STATED. THERES MORE TO IT. TOM

:( AND I MANAGED TO OVERANALYSE IT AND LET HIM MAKE IT. CAN YOU SEE WHAT I DID"??? :rolleyes:
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Posted 2005-July-23, 10:17

Just woke up, please don't shout Pork. :rolleyes:

I play a high diamond, denying a stiff heart. When partner continues with a second diamond and declarer follows I overtake and play a third round of diamonds, hoping for an uppercut. If the uppercut does not happen, we may still get a club trick or a heart trick, dummy is dead.

A possible way to give away the contract would be to overtake the diamond king. Don't know how overanalyzing could lead to this play, but I've made worse mistake than that.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-July-23, 21:16

:) I LIKE CAPS. IM OLD ENOUGH THAT ITS NOT SHOUTING TO ME. I SUGGEST EAR PLUGS.
I NEGLECTED THE IMPORTANCE OF THE 10 OF DIAMONDS IN DUMMY.

PARTNER HAD A SINGLETON K OF DIAMONDS.
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