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Weak jump shifts not legal? Using weak jump shifts

#1 User is offline   Kingjy1 

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Posted 2005-July-26, 08:46

I had 6♠ cards with the King. 2♥,3♣ and 2♦ and 3 pts ( King ) in my hand. Partner opens 1♥ , pass I alert and bid 2♠ pass and write weak on opps ask for info.

Pr bids 3 nt and makes. THEN I am accused of almost cheating.
A director would throw you out in a regular duplicate session, and you would be banned for a year on BBO,,, wow!!!!

I' m sure I didn't invent the wjs and that it is used these days even more than the strong Shift.

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Posted 2005-July-26, 09:03

Hi Kingjy,

No, you didn't invent the wjs, but perhaps the vwjs ? :)

I guess that you didn't play against gentlemen, that's all !

Banned for a year, hihi !! :unsure: :angry:



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Posted 2005-July-26, 09:05

I play it as 0-3 (old fashioned I guess) with your hcp in the suit. Pard had the ideal hand, I suppose?
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Posted 2005-July-26, 09:07

Of course WJS are legal, and you did absolutely nothing wrong. On the contrary, you even alerted your 2♠ bid and explained when asked.

Unfortunately another example of how the opponents think they know better. Threatening you is uncalled for. Period.

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Posted 2005-July-26, 09:09

Banned for a year! What nonsense, now maybe if you had given him 3 fingers… :unsure:
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Posted 2005-July-26, 09:20

Thank you!! I feel better :unsure:
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Posted 2005-July-26, 09:33

they were angry because 3NT shouldn't make.
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Posted 2005-July-26, 09:42

Report them to abuse@bridgebase.com
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Posted 2005-July-26, 11:14

you did all you had to do! maybe your partner took a flyer and they misdefended or you had the right hand, but you did nothing wrong.

sometimes we just roll with the punches
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Posted 2005-July-26, 11:50

I hope the following is helpful and supportive.

Weak (I prefer the term pre-emptive/ what is weak to one might not be so weak to another person) jump-shifts are not only legal, but they are used by many people. The criteria regarding what kind of hand qualifies for the bid might vary from person to person. One reported range was 0-3. A commonly used range is 2/3 to 6/7 hcp with a six-card suit (like a mini-weak 2 bid). You followed the self-alert procedure appropriately as far as I can tell. It is unfortunate that such an uncomfortable interaction occurred that made you feel the need to submit this post. Hope that you didn't lose any sleep over this.

A few suggestions that might be helpful should a similar interaction occur again:

If this should happen to me (it once did, big-time: thank you again Jason Chew for your help) and I felt that an opp had said something to me or my partner that was offensive if not accusatory, I would immediately seek a yellow-type person and ask that person to come to the table to observe the procedings and supervise any further proceedings. As a safeguard to cover such situations, I log all chat at the table at all times. This, I hope, permits the yellow-type person (or the TD) to read the procedings or, at least, for me to scroll back and read the dialog back to the yellow. Another suggestion is to never say anything to the accuser once a comment that you feel is accusatory or in some way demeaning and inappropriate has been made by an opp. Let the yellow-type person address the situation. (Oh, the yellows are going to love me for this recommendation.)
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Posted 2005-July-26, 12:05

When people say these things there are a few simple responses to make:

( a ) ask them which law, bye-law (ie SO regulation), site rule etc had been breached,
( b ) ask them to quantify the damage to the opponents that results from that breach (and the principles behind that computation), and
( c ) ask them what remedy they propose to counter the alleged damage (distinguished from procedural penalties, ie banning).

If they are unable to respond to these simple questions then it is pure bluster. If they are able to provide a cogent response then you may have a fight on your hands, but at least you have a basis to consider the accusation.
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Posted 2005-July-26, 15:29

I play them 2-6, with at least the Q on the suit.
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Posted 2005-July-26, 16:49

i usually play them 0-5, and sometimes the 5 is too good
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  Posted 2005-July-26, 17:02

Send them to Abuse. Nonsense like that doesn't need to be here.
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