No Agreement, playing wit advanced to expert
#1
Posted 2005-July-13, 07:06
Pard RHO You LHO
1♦ (1♠) Pass Pass
1NT
As an added bonus, please describe the hand you LEAST LIKELY expect the 1NT bidder to hold.
#2
Posted 2005-July-13, 07:27
#3
Posted 2005-July-13, 07:27
Most likely: balanced 13-14 hcp. (Completely wrong, but most people bid like that.)
#4
Posted 2005-July-13, 07:47
At MPs I think it's just 12-14
#5
Posted 2005-July-13, 08:06
Bidding 1NT on great diamonds with weak hand (1.5 spade stopper and 6 tricks in diamonds) is a nice MP trick, but against any competent opps you will get a non-spade lead and likely throw half of your good diamonds down the gutter - so I would vote against doing it. Any great diamonds could be, anyway, opened 1NT
I would use takeout double with any ugly 18-19 safely - because partner might happen to have long spades and will be happy to pass.
12-14 should be the least likely hand if opener is intermediate or advanced - because he surely must have bid weak NT before and get that disaster imprinted well in his memory. (I recall my first and last weak NT reopen 5 years back in living colours
I don't like the option that offers strong NT OR long good diamonds, because if my p re-evaluates his hand, expecting 18-19 with spade stoppers, we might end up in a bad fix (playng 3NT with 10 points in diamonds, 8 points in spades and a few queens and jacks in the two suits that opponents cash :-).
#6
Posted 2005-July-13, 08:07
1) 18-19, to good to open NT
2) No idea, for every impossible hand I may invent, there
will be another hand, beating the invented one.
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#7
Posted 2005-July-13, 08:10
Least possible: ♣-♦ two-suiter
#8
Posted 2005-July-13, 08:10
flytoox, on Jul 13 2005, 09:27 AM, said:
No... this poll is meant to demonstrate the difference between a balancing 1NT when you have never bid compared to a "reopening" 1NT after you opened and partner passed their overcall.
And yes, in part because this auction came up, and we went for telephone number. But the person involved is friend, just they think the bid means one thing, so I wanted to show (see?) how many of the community play the bid the way he does. Just the same, this will be useful anyway.... for those who don't know the correct answer before reading the poll. I have no doubt what the "correct" answer is, and I also know what the worse possible hand is...
#9
Posted 2005-July-13, 08:54
Allways ♠stopper....18-19 balanced or good hand with long ♦
I would NEVER expect 11-17 balanced (15-17nt)
#10
Posted 2005-July-13, 08:57
What I really don't expect him to hold is some 5431 with 4 spades and 5 diamonds :-)
Luis
#11
Posted 2005-July-13, 08:57
#12
Posted 2005-July-13, 10:01
... I may be misinterpreting the question.
#13
Posted 2005-July-13, 21:35
flytoox, on Jul 13 2005, 02:27 PM, said:
No, I rate myself as 'advanced' -- maybe I should rethink that
The really bad thing is that I would probably have voted 18-19 NT hand here, as everyone else. But at the table I too often transfrom the meaning of the bid into what I would like it to be with my current hand (Holding a weak NT, I thought 1♠ and 1NT would both make, so...).
Arend
#14
Posted 2005-July-13, 22:12
inquiry, on Jul 14 2005, 02:06 AM, said:
Pard RHO You LHO
1♦ (1♠) Pass Pass
1NT
As an added bonus, please describe the hand you LEAST LIKELY expect the 1NT bidder to hold.
I voted "other " as I feel that it could be either 18-19 or "17-19 or long D + ♠ stopper"
The least likely is "balancing with weak NT"
#15
Posted 2005-July-13, 22:54
Least likely probably long diamonds plus a stopper.
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
#16
Posted 2005-July-14, 02:33
#17
Posted 2005-July-15, 16:23
I suppose that you can make an agreement that the bid means "I HAVE 'X'" but its not what the bid is supposed to mean.
I'd love to know what your pard thinks the bid means Ben.
#18
Posted 2005-July-15, 17:23
pclayton, on Jul 15 2005, 06:23 PM, said:
I suppose that you can make an agreement that the bid means "I HAVE 'X'" but its not what the bid is supposed to mean.
I'd love to know what your pard thinks the bid means Ben.
My parnter thought it was a balancing 1NT showing weak 1NT, good spades. In fact, had the worse holding imho. Four spades KQJ and 11 or 12 points, I don't remember which.
This poll was to show, what I knew the answer would be.. because when i explained what 1NT shows, i got the definite impression I wasn't believed.

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