[Gerben42]

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It was called Advanced Precision,and I think his name
is spelled Jannersten.

Right, his name is Per Jannersten. I met him in Maastricht when I bought some things in his well-known bridge shop (they had a stand at the Olympiad). A real nice guy.

[helene_t]

Sigh, I'm so sorry for this PDF-mess. I hate computers. Lol.

Click here to read the draft in MS-Word format

[helene_t]

Gerben42, on Sep 12 2005, 01:46 PM, said:

1. I always thought in "standard" Stayman the two invitational sequences with 5-4 majors were 1N - 2♣ - 2♦ - 2♠ and 1N - 2♦ - 2♥ - 2♠ and NOT 1N - 2♣ - 2♦ - 2♥...

Let's see if I understand this. So Stayman can be weak with ♠♥♦ or with 5♥4♠. Or invitational with 5♠4♥, or with spades only. Can you bid an invitational with 5♥4♠ via transfer?

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3. Include a runout after 1NT doubled. Simplest is natural and redouble scrambling (at least two suits)

So with a strong hand you pass? Will a subsequent double be t/o or penalty? (Maybe it means the same as a double of an overcall over partner's 1NT opening).

[Gerben42]

One 4-card major: Pass if weak, Stayman if invite or better

One 5-card major: Transfer

Both majors:
Stayman if weak (4+4+) then bid 2♥.
Invitational:
with 5♥4♠ transfer then bid 2♠
with 5♠4♥ stayman then 2♠
with 5♥5♠ transfer to ♠ then 3♥
GF:
stayman then bid your 5-card suit at the 3-level (or your 4-card suit playing Smolen)

Runout: I was suggesting a simple runout, I am not claiming this is best.
Pass with strong hand. Redouble to scramble. New suit is weak and natural.

Double is take out up to 2♦.

[jikl]

Gerben42, on Sep 12 2005, 06:49 AM, said:

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It was called Advanced Precision,and I think his name
is spelled Jannersten.

Right, his name is Per Jannersten. I met him in Maastricht when I bought some things in his well-known bridge shop (they had a stand at the Olympiad). A real nice guy.

I think you'll find it was written by his father, Eric Jannersten.

Sean

[DenisO]

Has this good idea for a BBO basic precision fizzled out? I can only find a draft document and that doesn't seem to address what should be done with positive 4441 hands ie impossible negative. or unusual positive. There seemed a lot of interest in the idea, so I'm a bit surprised it seems to have gone to sleep.

Denis

[csdenmark]

DenisO, on Dec 8 2006, 12:16 PM, said:

Has this good idea for a BBO basic precision fizzled out? I can only find a draft document and that doesn't seem to address what should be done with positive 4441 hands ie impossible negative. or unusual positive. There seemed a lot of interest in the idea, so I'm a bit surprised it seems to have gone to sleep.

Denis

Probably best so.

- Those who already knows Precision have no interest in a hybrid.

- Those who play homecooking will not study and will not apply.

- Those who learn Precision in BIL learn a different and full version.


So in fact it is difficult to see the stakeholders here.

[zasanya]

csdenmark, on Dec 8 2006, 05:46 AM, said:

DenisO, on Dec 8 2006, 12:16 PM, said:

Has this good idea for a BBO basic precision fizzled out? I can only find a draft document and that doesn't seem to address what should be done with positive 4441 hands ie impossible negative. or unusual positive. There seemed a lot of interest in the idea, so I'm a bit surprised it seems to have gone to sleep.

Denis

Probably best so.

- Those who already knows Precision have no interest in a hybrid.

- Those who play homecooking will not study and will not apply.

- Those who learn Precision in BIL learn a different and full version.


So in fact it is difficult to see the stakeholders here.

I am a diehard precision fan and in the company in which I play a precision ♣ does not have to be alerted but a natural ♣ needs to be alerted.
So the moment someone suggests playing precision without asking bids I get put off.Its like having a gun and no bullets.

[vang]

zasanya, on Dec 8 2006, 04:11 PM, said:

So the moment someone suggests playing precision without asking bids I get put off.Its like having a gun and no bullets.

this is the reason for meckstroth-rodwell failures ;-)

[csdenmark]

zasanya, on Dec 8 2006, 04:11 PM, said:

I am a diehard precision fan and in the company in which I play a precision ♣ does not have to be alerted but a natural ♣  needs to be alerted.
So the moment someone suggests playing precision without asking bids I get put off.Its like having a gun and no bullets.

As you prefer tournament set-up you are doomed to standard.

Players of Precision, or any other strong system, must be serious about such. They must seek and enjoy practice as often as possible. This normally means completely to skip all standard except with old friends of course.

[helene_t]

DenisO, on Dec 8 2006, 12:16 PM, said:

Has this good idea for a BBO basic precision fizzled out? I can only find a draft document and that doesn't seem to address what should be done with positive 4441 hands ie impossible negative. or unusual positive. There seemed a lot of interest in the idea, so I'm a bit surprised it seems to have gone to sleep.

Denis

I haven't had time to maintain the FD file for a long time. It's about one year ago that I announced the FD file to be ready for inclusion in the standard set as far as I'm concerned. I don't know why this has not happened, maybe the quality was found to be insuficient.

[precision0]

I am trying to collect some players that play or want to learn precision in order to run a private (or public) club and to organize tournaments... what do you think of my idea ?

[helene_t]

DenisO, on Dec 8 2006, 12:16 PM, said:

I can only find a draft document and that doesn't seem to address what should be done with positive 4441 hands ie impossible negative. or unusual positive.

The FD file has impossible negative.

[DenisO]

helene_t, on Dec 18 2006, 09:56 AM, said:

The FD file has impossible negative.

Thanks Helene for all your hard work on the FD file

[csdenmark]

helene_t, on Dec 18 2006, 10:56 AM, said:

DenisO, on Dec 8 2006, 12:16 PM, said:

I can only find a draft document and that doesn't seem to address what should be done with positive 4441 hands ie impossible negative. or unusual positive.

The FD file has impossible negative.

Helene - If you want your file to be distributed as a free download from bridgeFILES you will be welcome. Please mail me the file + possible additional information. Please ensure I will receive possible updates.

If you think it is a high quality product offered for purchase only that will be OK too.

[Hairy_Scot]

I too prefer Precision to any other system but struggle to find partners who use it.
A Precision Players Club may be a good idea from the point of view of teaching and learning but I think some other method is needed to allow precision players to pair up and compete with players of other systems.
Could we not perhaps have a "Precision Player's Flag" or some method of identifying a precision player without having to scan profiles?
Perhaps another category in the Friends/Enemies listing?

Does anyone know of an easy way to build a conv card from a document (MSWord or Excel)?

Lastly, I would be glad to swop ideas or chat about methods within Precision.

[precision0]

Ι 've requested from BBO to add a property 'system(s)' . In addition to email, name , other etc. And, ability to sort by that property or show only players playing X systems.

[csdenmark]

Hairy_Scot, on Dec 18 2006, 06:02 PM, said:

I too prefer Precision to any other system but struggle to find partners who use it.
A Precision Players Club may be a good idea from the point of view of teaching and learning but I think some other method is needed to allow precision players to pair up and compete with players of other systems.
Could we not perhaps have a "Precision Player's Flag" or some method of identifying a precision player without having to scan profiles?
Perhaps another category in the Friends/Enemies listing?

Does anyone know of an easy way to build a conv card from a document (MSWord or Excel)?

Lastly, I would be glad to swop ideas or chat about methods within Precision.

Could we not perhaps have a "Precision Player's Flag" or some method of identifying a precision player without having to scan profiles?)
For Precision I play: Belladonna/Garozzo with Roman defense(Standard/SUPER) - Viking - Power - Icelandic - Meckwell.
If you know any of above you will be welcome by me.


Does anyone know of an easy way to build a conv card from a document (MSWord or Excel)?
There is none. You need to invest an hour or perhaps two yourself.

[OscarKwok]

Hairy_Scot, on Dec 18 2006, 11:02 AM, said:

......
Could we not perhaps have a "Precision Player's Flag" or some method of identifying a precision player without having to scan profiles?
Perhaps another category in the Friends/Enemies listing?
.......

Good idea, hope BBO will consider this

[jtfanclub]

I like the style you use, Helene...I would happily play it with a sit-down new partnership.

Like everybody, I have my own flavor of Precision, but a standard system for pickup partnerships sounds like a great thing. Besides, the difference between Standard and Precision is that everybody admits they have their own flavor of Precision, while in Standard everybody insists that their flavor is that 'standard' one, and how dare you interpret my natural non-forcing bid as new minor game force, or whatever the flavor of the local club is.