[pigpenz]

what would you bid in response to partners 1♦ opening??

Scoring: MP

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lets say you are playing 2/1 with strong jump shifts!

[pigpenz]

at the table i temporized with one heart, feeling that hand could play equally well on a 3-3 fit or 4-3 fit.

[awm]

3♣, natural and invitational.

No real reason to mastermind this hand, best to bid my eight card suit. 3NT is excellent opposite a hand like:

Kxx
Kxxx
Axxx
Kx

Bidding 3♣ now will encourage partner to try 3NT with a partial fit for clubs and some stoppers, and will get us to our best partial when we don't have a game. Sometimes simplest is best.

[pigpenz]

all depends on what your playing, what 3 clubs would be.
1.pre emptive
2.invitational
3.strong jump shift

maybe what if i edit and say 3 clubs is strong jump shift, then you have more a problem with hand.

[pigpenz]

old style Walsh 2/1 would allow to temporizing with hands
when auction went
1d 1h
2h 3c showed 3 card heart suit and long clubs

[mike777]

pigpenz, on Jul 11 2005, 05:35 PM, said:

old style Walsh 2/1 would allow to temporizing with hands
when auction went
1d 1h
2h 3c showed 3 card heart suit and long clubs

NO this is not old walsh style..good grief.
I bid 1nt, someone has to bid again.

[han]

Boring 1NT for me too, sorry.

[scoob]

i'm bidding 1NT. if we end up in a NT contract, i certainly want it played from my hand.

[whereagles]

Pard probably has a bunch of diams. I'm starting with 2♣. Over the expected 2♦ rebid, I'll probably try 3♣

[the hog]

pigpenz, on Jul 12 2005, 08:35 AM, said:

old style Walsh 2/1 would allow to temporizing with hands
when auction went
1d 1h
2h 3c showed 3 card heart suit and long clubs

I don't know from where you got this, but this is incorrect. It is a game try in H.

I bid 1NT, what else? 2C overstates the hand and 1H is crazy and can not infrequently lead to playing in a 3-3 fit.

Quote Whereagles:
Pard probably has a bunch of diams. I'm starting with 2♣. Over the expected 2D rebid, I'll probably try 3♣

And what pray tell do you do over a 3D rebid or a reverse by opener when you are now in a GF situation as you have shown 10+ points?

[Double !]

agree with others (for 1st time today)
the least lie and most flexible bid would seem to be 1NT

The problem with bidding and rebidding and rebidding clubs is that your hand might not provide any other entries, P would play you for better club honors or more potential club tricks in NT, and 3NT would be hopeless.

[pclayton]

I really don't like this system.

Either play 1D - 2C as almost gf or play 1D - 3C as inv..

I'm bidding 1H praying that I can make a Walsh jump of 3C over 1S or 1N. I hate 1N with a 2308 shape but I dislike 2C even more.

Maybe the best call over 1D playing these methods is a direct 5C.

[whereagles]

The_Hog, on Jul 12 2005, 01:57 AM, said:

Quote Whereagles:
Pard probably has a bunch of diams. I'm starting with 2♣. Over the expected 2D rebid, I'll probably try 3♣

And what pray tell do you do over a 3D rebid or a reverse by opener when you are now in a GF situation as you have shown 10+ points?

Who cares about points on a 6-loser hand? I guess next you're going to say the hand is "weak"...?

[mike777]

whereagles, on Jul 12 2005, 12:55 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Jul 12 2005, 01:57 AM, said:

Quote Whereagles:
Pard probably has a bunch of diams. I'm starting with 2♣. Over the expected 2D rebid, I'll probably try 3♣

And what pray tell do you do over a 3D rebid or a reverse by opener when you are now in a GF situation as you have shown 10+ points?

Who cares about points on a 6-loser hand? I guess next you're going to say the hand is "weak"...?

have no idea but please note LTC only works when there is a fit...not on an unknown hand...but most if not all count ltc on nonfit hands.,,Repeat ...most if not all count ltc on nonfit auctions.

[coyot]

I play 2/1 responses as either GF or (if immediately repeated) a good 6card suit... (and 8th ace equals a good 6card.... so I would bid 2♣ and then 3♣ on any rebid... and if he bids 3NT then, I'll have close my eyes and pray

I would strongly advocate against 1NT bid for one reason: P with AKJxxx in diamonds might hope to make 5 tricks in that suit with one loss of tempo, expecting a small doubleton in my hand. Since he has higher suit than I have, he might not be willing to accept my run from 3NT (likely bid if he has something like 3-3-6-1) to 4-5c and would bid diamonds...

If I cannot bid 2/1 club as above, then I would rather pass. After all, with just 6 HCP, there is a good chance that my LHO will reopen the bidding either with a major 4card or a double (hoping for his partner to have a trapping pass).

I could then reenter the bidding aggresively with my clubs - and partner would be able to deduce what hand I have.

I don't like pass too much, but I like 1NT even less. Unless I find partner with a doubleton club (not very likely), 3NT may fail even against quite strong hands.
And if I pass and p is strong (say 16+), chances still are good that the reopen will come - roughly 50% = LHO can have weak NT, one long major or a takeout (if diamonds are 3-6-4-0 or 3-5-5-0)...

[whereagles]

mike777, on Jul 12 2005, 06:25 AM, said:

have no idea but please note LTC only works when there is a fit...not on an unknown hand...but most if not all count ltc on nonfit hands.,,Repeat ...most if not all count ltc on nonfit auctions.

Forget about books... Look at the hand: it has 6 losers, LTC or not. On the worst-case-scenario I'll lose 2 clubs and 5 in the majors: 7 losers. Usually it will have 6 losers, though.

[P_Marlowe]

1 NT, wtp ?

Sorry, I hate "wtp", but 1 NT is the System bid, if you
do not like the System bid, change it, but do not try
to invent something clever on the fly.

With kind regards
Maarlowe

[Gerben42]

I agree with the previous post. And don't play strong jump shifts, especially 1♦ - 3♣ is hugely self-preempting where 2♣ is forcing anyway.

[Chamaco]

whereagles, on Jul 12 2005, 05:55 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Jul 12 2005, 01:57 AM, said:

Quote Whereagles:
Pard probably has a bunch of diams. I'm starting with 2♣. Over the expected 2D rebid, I'll probably try 3♣

And what pray tell do you do over a 3D rebid or a reverse by opener when you are now in a GF situation as you have shown 10+ points?

Who cares about points on a 6-loser hand? I guess next you're going to say the hand is "weak"...?

We need great caution to use LTC to evaluate minors- based hands: often such hands end up looking for NT contracts, where LTC is badly flawed (differently from suit contracts, where it usually works quite well).

[the hog]

Really don't know why I bother, but....

♠ Q9
♥ 1086
D
♣ A10876432

Axx
Axx
AKJxxxx

How many tricks are you going to make Whereagles, and your partner expects to be in game opposite a 2/1