[beatrix45]

RHO opens the bidding for 1♠. Both sides are vulnerable and the scoring is IMPs. What do you bid with this hand?

Scoring: IMP

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  How about?

Scoring: IMP

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  Corrected hand.

[inquiry]

Pass, on both. And I can not believe anyone would seriously consider bidding on the second one.

[Elianna]

Well, on the second hand I'd call the director, because I seem to only have 12 cards.

Ok, been corrected.

[mike777]

Rereading Mike lawrence's takeout doubles after more than 10 years.

In regards to hand one:

"The point of this discussion is that you will have tough decisions when your choices are to overcall two hearts or double. Learn this one little secret well. It is harder to bid over one spade than any of the other suits. Be honest and recognize this. When your opponent opens one spade, you will have many difficult decisions....The point to be learned here is that nothing is perfect. Even experts disagree."

I would double but.....

[inquiry]

The second one now has an added king of clubs. So my comment about considering bidding with it is also retracted. Having said that, I still pass hand one, but now I might double with hand two.

[EricK]

I pass on both. There is almost no upside to bidding immediately on these hands and a very large downside.

Eric

[whereagles]

Double on both, under the principle of "in quick, out quick." There is a huge upside to bidding immediately on these hands and a very small downside

If pard bids diamonds, too bad. But it should still have a play for. And if I'm playing equal level correction, I can bid 2♥.

[mr1303]

Pass, and smoothly. I want partner to be able to bid with a suitable hand.

[helene_t]

I wouldn't blame partner for bidding 1NT with hand 1 and double with hand 2, but my choice is "pass" in both cases.

[joker_gib]

Pass both

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Hand 1) Pass.

Hand 2) Pass or 2H, depending on the constellation of earth, moon
and sun, maybe I am bored and I am looking for action
I will not double

With kind regards
Marlowe

[MickyB]

Pass both. Hate double more than I hate 2♥!

[cherdano]

If you give me the 2nd hand, but give back that spade king, and move a club to a diamond, then I would double...

[whereagles]

I must say I'm surprised to see so many passes. Especially since most people here read Robson's book, under which both hands are automatic take-out doubles.

[flytoox]

I would pass the first one but wouuld venture 2H with second hand. QT8xx is much better than Qxxxx. I know it is risky but I am willing to take this risk.

[bearmum]

VUL I will pass on bo th

[david_c]

whereagles, on Jun 29 2005, 12:46 PM, said:

Especially since most people here read Robson's book, under which both hands are automatic take-out doubles.

Are you sure? I have this book in front of me now, and I can't see what would make you say that.

[whereagles]

Well, check page 206.

There you hold:

♠ Kxxxx
♥ Ax
♦ KQxx
♣ Ax

RHO opens 2♣, precision: 5 clubs, 11-15 hcp. Robson/Segal recommend a take-out double of 2♣, followed by 2♠ if pard bids 2♥.

The situation with the hands of this tread after 1♠ is very similar, hence my comment of 'automatic take-out double'.

[hrothgar]

whereagles, on Jun 29 2005, 04:32 PM, said:

Well, check page 206.

There you hold:

♠ Kxxxx
♥ Ax
♦ KQxx
♣ Ax

RHO opens 2♣, precision: 5 clubs, 11-15 hcp. Robson/Segal recommend a take-out double of 2♣, followed by 2♠ if pard bids 2♥.

The situation with the hands of this tread after 1♠ is very similar, hence my comment of 'automatic take-out double'.

Been a while since I read R+S.
Do they assume equal level conversion?

Its also worth noting that the hand that R+S provide is significantly strong than the ones that you originally posted. This hand is worth 17.1 using the K+R scale. The stronger of the two hands that you presented is only a 14.35...