[FrancesHinden]

We aren't told the form of scoring.
At IMPS doubling to increase the penalty is fine.
At pairs doubling to increase the penalty just increases the volatility on the board, which you may or may not wish to do.

[omeroj]

Lol...if my p play bridge i will lead ♥, if he don't play this game, i will do other lead:)

Omero

[mr1303]

I think partner wants a diamond lead. I play that the second double says please ignore other information, I want an UNUSUAL lead. Since the double of hearts would say lead a heart, the double now says definitely don't lead a heart.

Of course, the big problem is that you don't have any diamonds to lead. So it'll be a club, and when partner asks "why didn't you lead a diamond?", I'll show him my hand....

[omeroj]

I think that is important know if is imps or mp, because if is imps... the first double want lead ♥ and the second could explain find..other lead because or 50 or 100 points is the same on imps...

If is mp...is important bid dbl on 6♠again because 50 points could be 70%...but 100 points could be 100% of top:)

Omero

[pigpenz]

i didnt think if a lightner double was involved it would be influenced by the scoring if it were imps or matchpoints or rubber bridge for that matter.

[TheoKole]

Since my partner and I play Lightner doubles, I would specifically lead the 9 of hearts. In this instance, I don't want him to read me for the J 10 ♥. and the lead should be suit preference return for a diamond.

I believe it is just possible to get a cross-ruff going on defense.

Cheers

[Free]

♥7, 3rd highest, switch ♦ p!!!

[kenberg]

luke warm, on Jul 2 2005, 01:54 PM, said:

ewen shows this very auction in his book on leads.... he says that the double of hearts was lead directional, and the final double isn't necessary (since the cost/risk doesn't pay), so to double the final is lightner... of course, that's just his take

I knew I had seen this idea in print somewhere. Double and then double again to say "no, not the first lead I suggested". In Ewen was it? Doubles for Takeout, Penalties and Profits? I lost it years ago. Not intentionally, it was a good book.

I still voted for the heart lead. Partner is not supposed to assume I read and follow Ewen's book, and he is not supposed to give me some bizarre puzzle. Maybe Ewen is right, maybe he isn't, but partner said lead a heart when he doubled 5H and he is getting a heart.

[luke warm]

strictly speaking, a lightner double doesn't necessarily ask for dummy's first bid suit... it asks for an unusual lead... often, maybe even most of the time, that actually is dummy's suit.. in this case i'm not sure dummy's suit is the unusual lead

[han]

I'm going to sit very patiently until partner leads a diamond out of turn. The opponents will probably call the director and either forbid or require a diamond lead. Either way, I can look at partner's suit preference signal to decide what to lead.

[pigpenz]

luke warm, on Jul 10 2005, 07:26 PM, said:

strictly speaking, a lightner double doesn't necessarily ask for dummy's first bid suit... it asks for an unusual lead... often, maybe even most of the time, that actually is dummy's suit.. in this case i'm not sure dummy's suit is the unusual lead

Lukewarm is correct, there are general guidelines..all you are trying to do is alert partner to the fact that something unusual is called or depending what your agreements are.

when i had the hand that made the doubles, my thinking was I hope they respond 5 clubs then i can double for a club lead, but then i thought i can double five hearts and double final contract to say the same thing.

What i couldnt see, fromsome of the resposnes is why there would be two doubles to reconfirm the same thing to lead a heart.

what could have happened and didnt, was I could have ruffed the club leand and partner couldhave ruffed a diamond return....end of story

[mike777]

pigpenz, on Jul 13 2005, 12:09 PM, said:

luke warm, on Jul 10 2005, 07:26 PM, said:

strictly speaking, a lightner double doesn't necessarily ask for dummy's first bid suit... it asks for an unusual lead... often, maybe even most of the time, that actually is dummy's suit.. in this case i'm not sure dummy's suit is the unusual lead

Lukewarm is correct, there are general guidelines..all you are trying to do is alert partner to the fact that something unusual is called or depending what your agreements are.

when i had the hand that made the doubles, my thinking was I hope they respond 5 clubs then i can double for a club lead, but then i thought i can double five hearts and double final contract to say the same thing.

What i couldnt see, fromsome of the resposnes is why there would be two doubles to reconfirm the same thing to lead a heart.

what could have happened and didnt, was I could have ruffed the club leand and partner couldhave ruffed a diamond return....end of story

Do not x 5h!

[pigpenz]

hey now, I got one of these right on a master solvers panel 25 yrs ago and have waited this long for it to come up in real life at the table!!! No way was I gonna finally miss this oppurtunity to use it

[Winstonm]

Jlall, on Jul 1 2005, 05:08 PM, said:

I lead a heart. Partners X means "we are beating this on a heart lead." Asking for a non heart lead is absurd when he went out of his way to X 5H. If he didn't want that lead, he shouldn't have Xed.

This is not this clear cut - first of all, if the vulnerability is white verses red the double of 5H could be based on long decent hearts, shape, and sacrifice asking. Even without that agreement, the double of 5H indicates a lead against 5S, not a slam. Perhaps partner hopes to get a high heart lead from KQ and give a suit preference, hoping to score 2 hearts and 1 ruff against 5S. But now that the opps have bid slam, only 2 tricks are needed - hence the second double should cancel the first and say - make an unusual non-heart lead, pard. I hope to ruff and cash the Ace of hearts.

WinstonM