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Posted 2023-March-15, 03:54

Imagine you are a robot sitting opposite a human who opened 2NT opposite this



What would be your options?
I'm not necessarily upset with GiB just disappointed with myself really - the human in said picture
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Posted 2023-March-15, 10:18

Here I will guess that the robot bid 5 only. With a human partner I would bid a conventional 3 - a minor suit slam try - followed by 4 which is forcing to at least game imo. We maybe missing two aces, but I would not stop below 6. You have an alternative, the ace and king asking 4 bid, Gerber, but even if partner shows 2 aces, except if he shows 4 kings, you do not know which kings he has, and a slam might depend on a finesse. I prefer the 3 followed by 4 route and try to find out what partner has.
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Posted 2023-March-15, 12:27

View PostLBengtsson, on 2023-March-15, 10:18, said:

Here I will guess that the robot bid 5 only. With a human partner I would bid a conventional 3 - a minor suit slam try - followed by 4 which is forcing to at least game imo.


I wouldn't try this with a pickup human partner, I wouldn't know what to make of his bid after 4: 4NT could be natural or RKCB, 4 could be RKCB or a splinter or a first-level control or an indifferentiated 1st/2nd level control, u.s.w.
With a regular partner I too would bid 3 and then whatever shows diamonds (in our case, 4), developments after that are clear to us.

According to GIB System Notes (not always reliable) it plays 3 as Minor Suit Stayman (usually at least 54 in the minors, forcing to game).
Opener would normally bid a 4+ card minor if he had one. Otherwise he would bid 3NT.
If responder's next bid is 4 of a major, he is promising a singleton or void in that suit.


So it is only likely to elict 3NT or 4 here, not much use.
I cannot deduce from those notes what would happen if responder now bids 4: certainly better not to try.
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Posted 2023-March-15, 13:06

3 forcing a 3NT response, followed by a single-suited diamond slam interest bid, is what most established partnerships would do.

GIB doesn't play that, and in fact has precisely 0 bids to look for slam in a minor, or even just play game in a minor. It has also been programmed to never bid Gerber in any circumstance (which I'm glad for). It'll probably just count its HCP and bid 4NT.
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Posted 2023-March-15, 13:40

View Postsmerriman, on 2023-March-15, 13:06, said:

GIB doesn't play that, and in fact has precisely 0 bids to look for slam in a minor, or even just play game in a minor.


See above about 3?
Looks like a bid to look for minor slam, although limited to responder with both minors and with developments unclear.
But yes not with a single suit.

View Postsmerriman, on 2023-March-15, 13:06, said:

It has also been programmed to never bid Gerber in any circumstance (which I'm glad for).

But has been programmed to respond to Gerber (according to the System Notes).
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Posted 2023-March-15, 13:54

Yeah, I meant a specific minor. MSS is more a byproduct of what it plays as 1NT - 2, just one level higher, rather than something specifically programmed for 2NT here. And yup, it will respond to Gerber if a human bids it, but that's it.
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Posted 2023-March-15, 15:07

Hi

Thanks for the comments
I honestly don't know if there were many options after my 2NT. Slightly light sadly so only the gamblers went to 6
Maybe not such a gamble
It's a good 19 points

People who opened 1 diamond managed to find 5 or 6


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Posted 2023-March-15, 16:54

View Postthepossum, on 2023-March-15, 15:07, said:

I honestly don't know if there were many options after my 2NT. Slightly light sadly so only the gamblers went to 6
Maybe not such a gamble
It's a good 19 points

If you won't take offence, it's a rotten 19 points: closer to 1NT than to 2NT if anything but 1 was fine in any case.
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Posted 2023-March-15, 17:22

View Postthepossum, on 2023-March-15, 03:54, said:

Could GiB have bid better


Apparently not :lol:
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Posted 2023-March-15, 18:37

View Postpescetom, on 2023-March-15, 16:54, said:

If you won't take offence, it's a rotten 19 points: closer to 1NT than to 2NT if anything but 1 was fine in any case.


I'm always optimistic. I'm never bidding 1NT with 19 points - maybe an overcall :)

It's a 50% chance of slam even rejecting the quant - assuming partner has the points they say :)
- and I reckon North could have bid 6NT - but it left the decision up to whether I had 20 or 21 points. Sadly I only had 19 :(

Maybe the Possum could have bid better :(
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