[Trumpace]

Adv/Adv+ please refrain from posting solutions too early. Early comments are welcome though...

Scoring: Rubber

Contract 6S. West leads ♥K

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You are south the declarer. What is your plan after the lead of ♥K?

[Trumpace]

sceptic, on Jun 25 2005, 04:09 PM, said:

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AH then ruff a heart back then pull trumps, if they are 4/1  or 5/0split you cant make anyway, who ever holds them

Yes spades 4-1 or 5-0 cannot be made. So assume spades are 3-2.

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You can't pull all trumps after ruffing a heart. You have a trump loser. The moment you lose the trump loser a heart will be cashed, unless you can discard the heart in hand on the diamonds which requires diamonds 4-2 or the opp with diamond length to have the trump length.

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This post has been edited by Trumpace: 2005-June-25, 21:28

[scoob]

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"if there's only one way that a contact can be made, play as if those conditions exist"

i need 3-2 trump split and 3-3 diamond split:

take with A
ruff small heart
3 rounds of diamonds, sluffing remaining heart

edit: it occured to me just now in the shower (where all my best thinking is done) that this line will work with a 4-2 diamond split also

[cherdano]

I won't say what i think is the solution, but just mention that the best line has not been found yet.

Arend

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scoob, on Jun 25 2005, 07:57 PM, said:

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"if there's only one way that a contact can be made, play as if those conditions exist"

i need 3-2 trump split and 3-3 diamond split:

take with A
ruff small heart
3 rounds of diamonds, sluffing remaining heart

edit: it occured to me just now in the shower (where all my best thinking is done) that this line will work with a 4-2 diamond split also

Yes of course diamonds can be 4-2... sorry about that. (when you are blinded by the point of the hand you tend to overlook everything else, a common problem with bridge columns)

Your line works with 4-2 diamonds. (same as wayne's line).
Assuming that spades split 3-2, this line is around 85%.

There is a better line though, which requires atleast 5-1 diamond, 5-1 club split and 7-2 heart split. (close to 96%). (assumes 3-2 spade split).

[luke warm]

with 3/2 trumps and 4/2 diamonds, it seems cold to me just

Spoiler

take the heart ace, trump a heart, spade to the ace then king of spades, diamond king, diamond to ace, toss last heart on diamond queen whether it's ruffed or not.. i don't know if this is best or not, but it looks ok... btw, i don't think scoob's line is best, what if the hand with K,x,x of trumps has 2 diamonds?

edit: oops, right... ♠K is with declarer... so as long as trumps 3/2 and d's 4/2, either line works... i have a feeling arend is looking at those bad splits

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luke warm, on Jun 25 2005, 10:40 PM, said:

with 3/2 trumps and 4/2 diamonds, it seems cold to me just

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take the heart ace, trump a heart, spade to the ace then king of spades, diamond king, diamond to ace, toss last heart on diamond queen whether it's ruffed or not.. i don't know if this is best or not, but it looks ok... btw, i don't think scoob's line is best, what if the hand with K,x,x of trumps has 2 diamonds?

Don't you mean "what if the hand with xx trumps has only 2 diamonds"? It does not help the defense if the hand with Qxx ruffs with a small trump.
(you seem to have misread part of the hand, K of trumps is with the declarer)

Anyway, i guess scoob wrote up the 3-3 diamond line and did not change it when he/she realised that even 4-2 diamond works...

[Double !]

sorry, can't seem to get hidden text.

[pclayton]

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(edited) - Win the AH and then duck the trump. I think I win in all relevant cases (trumps 3-2, East not having a minor suit void). 5♠'s, 1♥, 4♦'s, 2♣'s.

Is it really that tough a hand?

This post has been edited by pclayton: 2005-June-26, 10:46

[mpefritz]

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fritz

[Winstonm]

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Win the heart ace and lead a low spade. Win the return and draw trump. Play three rounds of clubs, ruffing the third. If the clubs do not break, run the rest of the trumps.

WinstonM

[the hog]

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Win HA and duck a S, planning on S being 3-2

[luke warm]

arrgghhh... winston, phil and ron are right, and this takes care of any dist

[Trumpace]

People have found the answer to this, so I won't bother hiding the following.

We can try to ruff two hearts, but then we don't have enough entries back to hand without relying on a favourable minor suit break. Trying to ruff just one heart and discarding the other on diamonds is better than trying to ruff 2 hearts.

Ideally we would like to draw trumps and discard the hearts on diamonds, but we have a trump loser. If we lose the trump loser on the third trump round we will exhaust the dummy of trump and will be vulnerable to heart leads. We would like to lose the trump when we still have a trump in dummy. The best line therefore seems to be to win the ♥A and immediately duck a spade while maintaining a spade in dummy to prevent a heart attack. We can then win the return and just claim when spades are 3-2.

[HeartA]

small !S from both hand at trick #2.