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#1 User is offline   thorvald 

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Posted 2022-September-05, 17:44

GIB can't handle strong hands

Here it terrorized both declarers but in different ways

First my opponent



2 could be 3-card, but should in my book also promise 5-card . I think 2 is a really ugly bid, but as it is GF i think the right bid is 3 from south.

But 4 is making on the 4-2 fit

Also note that 2 is 11-15 HCP and south has 16 with a lot of controls

At my table this happened



2 as reverse showed 18-22 points, and that fits the hand, but single in partners suit should be downgraded, but the 6th qualifies the hand for a reverse

Over 3N the Bot checked Aces and with all aces it queried Kings.

Now looking at the hand K would make 7 a fine contract, but when that was denied it simulated and found that even K would make the grand a good slam. I assume that my destiny was given as soon as I answered 4 aces, and 5N was just a book bid and simulation first was executed after the response of 6

So neither of us found a way to 6, that looks like an OK contract.
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Posted 2022-September-06, 02:28

This is (one reason) why I do not play with robots: they do not have strategy to 'think forward' (as with chess bots). On this hand if I was North I would be thinking, what is my next bid after 1 if partner rebids 2? I have not got a sensible one in 2/1. I guess (and it is a guess) that 2/1 experts - and I confess I do not know 2/1 in full - would have not bid the 4 card suit here but would have made the immediate G/F response of 2. If there is a 4-4 to be found it can be found later.

As for the bidding sequence on the second hand I do not understand why the bot bid one more to 7? That is just crazy.
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Posted 2022-September-06, 23:31

View PostLBengtsson, on 2022-September-06, 02:28, said:

This is (one reason) why I do not play with robots: they do not have strategy to 'think forward' (as with chess bots). On this hand if I was North I would be thinking, what is my next bid after 1 if partner rebids 2? I have not got a sensible one in 2/1. I guess (and it is a guess) that 2/1 experts - and I confess I do not know 2/1 in full - would have not bid the 4 card suit here but would have made the immediate G/F response of 2. If there is a 4-4 to be found it can be found later.

As for the bidding sequence on the second hand I do not understand why the bot bid one more to 7? That is just crazy.


Would 1 -1 - 2- 3 not fit the bill? Or does 3 have some special meaning? (Genuine question, I usually play Acol not 2/1)
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Posted 2022-September-08, 01:16

View PostDouglas43, on 2022-September-06, 23:31, said:

Would 1 -1 - 2- 3 not fit the bill? Or does 3 have some special meaning? (Genuine question, I usually play Acol not 2/1)

2D understates the hand (imagine without hA) and is non-forcing, partner with a lesser hand than the one depicted might pass and still miss game.
I am comfortable with 2H, which is a slight overbid but cheaper and more descriptive than 3D.
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