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Is there a way to _investigate_ slam Sayc with pickup partner

#1 User is offline   Trumpace 

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Posted 2005-June-23, 23:58

This hand came up tonight at BBO.

You hold:

AKQ2, AT865, KQJ7, -

We red, they white at IMPS.

RHO deals and passes. you bid 1H (would you have opened 2C?). LHO bids 2C. Partner bids 2H. RHO now comes in with 3C.

What is your plan?

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The correct title should be "Is there a way to _investigate_ slam". I don't know how to change the topic title.
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Posted 2005-June-24, 02:40

Try this trick, which I use sometimes: 3♠.

If pard comes up with 4♥ (a min) or 4♣ (max, but club wastage), better stick to game only. But if he can conjure a 4♦ bid (max, diam control, so no club wastage), then there is a pretty good chance slam makes.

Instead of 3♠ you can also try 3♦. Both bids are similar, but 3♠ has the advantage of making very clear slam is the purpose (3♦ might be only a game try).
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Posted 2005-June-24, 02:47

Hi,

If you really want to make a move: 4C.
Should show shortage, asking partner to
move on, if he holds no wastage in clubs.

No, I would not have opned 2C, and no I would not make
a move toward slam.
Partner needs the King and Jack of Hearts and the Ace
of Diamond to make the slam decent, i.e. nearly a perfect
maximum. But a try cant hurt, except blowing overtricks.

Marlowe
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Posted 2005-June-24, 04:24

I like 3S. I expect opps will bid some clubs, then I will bid diamond at the same level. heart may not be our best fit. We can make slam if pd has Jxxxx spade or T9xxx diamond, plus HKQx.
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Posted 2005-June-24, 05:58

I think the best way now is 4♣. This should show single or void, slam interest and ask partner to start cuebidding. If you don't hear 4♦ from partner, he doesn't have the ♦A and you pass 4♥.
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Posted 2005-June-24, 06:27

Trumpace, on Jun 24 2005, 01:58 AM, said:

The correct title should be "Is there a way to _investigate_ slam". I don't know how to change the topic title.

User can't edit titles, but administrators can. I normally would respond to messages sent to my by Private Message or to comments like your EDIT one in your post. Without making any comment (The "delete the duplicate post" kind of message where users can delete the words but not the post... I come along and delete those post eventually).

But here I left your comment in to show others how to get the title of their post changed (or one of their post deleted).. something users can't do on their own.

As for the slam, if this is an individual, just bid it. Otherwise, I like 3♠s

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Posted 2005-June-24, 06:57

5♣ is imo the best bid, but with pickup partners it might be too dangerous. 3♠ is the best alternative imo.
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Posted 2005-June-24, 06:59

Free, on Jun 24 2005, 02:57 PM, said:

5♣ is imo the best bid, but with pickup partners it might be too dangerous. 3♠ is the best alternative imo.

5♣ would be exclusion BW ! 4♣ is enough.

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Posted 2005-June-24, 07:01

joker_gib, on Jun 24 2005, 01:59 PM, said:

Free, on Jun 24 2005, 02:57 PM, said:

5♣ is imo the best bid, but with pickup partners it might be too dangerous.  3♠ is the best alternative imo.

5♣ would be exclusion BW ! 4♣ is enough.

Alain

Yes, it is meant as exclusion blackwood...
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Posted 2005-June-24, 12:16

Yep, 5♣ exclusive RKCB.
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Posted 2005-June-24, 12:41

6 hearts. With a pickup pard i prefer this to any "intelligent auction." Do it confidently and they may bid 7C (they are white/red). If they pass, you may make. With a pickup pard I wont try anything fancy, I'll just play a little poker with my opps. I would equate this to a semi-bluff.
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Posted 2005-June-24, 17:12

i was hesitant to say 5♣ after the bad result my 5♦ (exclusion) bid got in the latest bbo polls.. i actually like 5♦ there better than 5♣ here ;) but i'd still bid it
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