BBO Discussion Forums: What do you do here? - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

What do you do here?

#1 User is offline   AL78 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,163
  • Joined: 2019-October-13

Posted 2022-May-12, 16:53

MPs:


0

#2 User is offline   akwoo 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,084
  • Joined: 2010-November-21

Posted 2022-May-12, 19:13

On most days, I'm not here because I bid 2 the previous round.

But not every day. I'm slightly tempted to follow my earlier decision not to bid hearts by not bidding hearts again - bid 2 here. But that's probably too much, and I'll bid 2.
0

#3 User is offline   smerriman 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,634
  • Joined: 2014-March-15
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2022-May-12, 19:50

View Postakwoo, on 2022-May-12, 19:13, said:

bid 2 here. But that's probably too much, and I'll bid 2.

Try again :)

It's a tricky one; I suspect partner probably has something like 5-5 in the minors which is why they didn't reopen with a double; we could be anywhere from making slam to not making game. Maybe it's too much, but I think I'll bid 3 which must show some diamond support as well (otherwise why not bid hearts earlier).
0

#4 User is offline   Gilithin 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 420
  • Joined: 2014-November-13
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2022-May-13, 02:56

3 FNJ if that is in our toolbox, or X planning on bidding 3 over partner's expected 3.
0

#5 User is offline   AL78 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,163
  • Joined: 2019-October-13

Posted 2022-May-13, 05:16

I didn't overcall the first time because for me I need a suit with two honors for a two level overcall vulnerable. Some good suggestions which I didn't think of, in the absdence of a FNJ I ended up bidding 3, which is an underbid, but it sounded like RHO had a strong hand and partner has overcalled in the protective seat, so isn't going to be loaded. The full deal:



A 25% board as quite a few found 4.
0

#6 User is offline   Douglas43 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 488
  • Joined: 2020-May-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Isle of Man
  • Interests:Walking, boring my wife with bridge stories

Posted 2022-May-13, 13:12

Pass and try for two off?
0

#7 User is offline   smerriman 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,634
  • Joined: 2014-March-15
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2022-May-13, 15:55

View PostGilithin, on 2022-May-13, 02:56, said:

3 FNJ if that is in our toolbox

View PostAL78, on 2022-May-13, 05:16, said:

in the absence of a FNJ

I actually had to look up what an FNJ was (have heard of them but not known the specifics). My thinking was that this was an auction where it would have to show a fit even if you don't "play them", just by logic alone.
0

#8 User is offline   eagles123 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,780
  • Joined: 2011-June-08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:UK Near London
  • Interests:Crystal Palace

Posted 2022-May-13, 16:19

I wouldn't be that fussed about missing 4H at MP. Think your partner has an interesting decision, can't fault 2D but I might have tried 1N.
"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
0

#9 User is online   Cyberyeti 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 12,783
  • Joined: 2009-July-13
  • Location:England

Posted 2022-May-14, 02:27

View Posteagles123, on 2022-May-13, 16:19, said:

I wouldn't be that fussed about missing 4H at MP. Think your partner has an interesting decision, can't fault 2D but I might have tried 1N.


Many people play the protective 1N as 12-14, I feel I'm a bit good for that with the shape and intermediates (although the major suit holdings are bad) and don't really have a spade stop, it's an awkward hand. I think I'd double, but not 100% sure. I suspect we'd get 1-P-P-X-2-3-P- and now you have a decision to make and probably bid 4 (or 3-3N).

Looks like 3N will also make, and I'm surprised everybody made 4, would expect some to have lost 2 spades and 2 hearts.
0

#10 User is offline   AL78 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,163
  • Joined: 2019-October-13

Posted 2022-May-14, 04:59

View PostCyberyeti, on 2022-May-14, 02:27, said:

Many people play the protective 1N as 12-14, I feel I'm a bit good for that with the shape and intermediates (although the major suit holdings are bad) and don't really have a spade stop, it's an awkward hand. I think I'd double, but not 100% sure. I suspect we'd get 1-P-P-X-2-3-P- and now you have a decision to make and probably bid 4 (or 3-3N).

Looks like 3N will also make, and I'm surprised everybody made 4, would expect some to have lost 2 spades and 2 hearts.


Both 3NT and 4H are there double dummy, but it was a very mixed standard so double dummy is arguably not a good indication of what to expect in the field.
0

#11 User is offline   eagles123 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,780
  • Joined: 2011-June-08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:UK Near London
  • Interests:Crystal Palace

Posted 2022-May-14, 07:45

View PostCyberyeti, on 2022-May-14, 02:27, said:

Many people play the protective 1N as 12-14, I feel I'm a bit good for that with the shape and intermediates (although the major suit holdings are bad) and don't really have a spade stop, it's an awkward hand. I think I'd double, but not 100% sure. I suspect we'd get 1-P-P-X-2-3-P- and now you have a decision to make and probably bid 4 (or 3-3N).

Looks like 3N will also make, and I'm surprised everybody made 4, would expect some to have lost 2 spades and 2 hearts.



have to say double wouldn't occur to me, interesting hand anyway. I've polled it over on BW

https://bridgewinner...m-2-9m5okzinfw/
"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
0

#12 User is online   Cyberyeti 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 12,783
  • Joined: 2009-July-13
  • Location:England

Posted 2022-May-14, 07:47

View PostAL78, on 2022-May-14, 04:59, said:

Both 3NT and 4H are there double dummy, but it was a very mixed standard so double dummy is arguably not a good indication of what to expect in the field.


4 needs you not to finesse J which I'd expect many weak players to do.

3N needs 2 black suit tricks which you're very likely to make one way or the other, particularly if opener shows both blacks (if you don't drop Q).
0

#13 User is offline   AL78 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,163
  • Joined: 2019-October-13

Posted 2022-May-14, 10:26

View PostCyberyeti, on 2022-May-14, 07:47, said:

4 needs you not to finesse J which I'd expect many weak players to do.

3N needs 2 black suit tricks which you're very likely to make one way or the other, particularly if opener shows both blacks (if you don't drop Q).


The traveller was:

4 N 10 +620
4 N 10 +620
4 N 10 +620
3 N 10 +170
4 W 8 +200
4 W 6 +400
3 W 7 +200
3 N 10 +170
3 W 8 +100
3 S 9 +110 (us)
4 S 8 -200
3NT N 9 +600
4 S 8 -200

Looks like the majority were overcalling on my hand.
0

#14 User is offline   eagles123 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,780
  • Joined: 2011-June-08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:UK Near London
  • Interests:Crystal Palace

Posted 2022-May-14, 10:55

View PostAL78, on 2022-May-14, 10:26, said:

The traveller was:

4 N 10 +620
4 N 10 +620
4 N 10 +620
3 N 10 +170
4 W 8 +200
4 W 6 +400
3 W 7 +200
3 N 10 +170
3 W 8 +100
3 S 9 +110 (us)
4 S 8 -200
3NT N 9 +600
4 S 8 -200

Looks like the majority were overcalling on my hand.



or they balanced differently with your partner's hand, which would make getting to game a hell of a lot easier.
"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
0

#15 User is online   Cyberyeti 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 12,783
  • Joined: 2009-July-13
  • Location:England

Posted 2022-May-14, 10:59

View Posteagles123, on 2022-May-14, 07:45, said:

have to say double wouldn't occur to me


Agreement dependent, for us protective 2 can be a king to an ace weaker than the direct overcall, the question is whether "double and bid" is also that much weaker.
0

#16 User is offline   pescetom 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 5,027
  • Joined: 2014-February-18
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Italy

Posted 2022-May-14, 12:50

View PostCyberyeti, on 2022-May-14, 02:27, said:

I'm surprised everybody made 4, would expect some to have lost 2 spades and 2 hearts.

Me too.


View PostCyberyeti, on 2022-May-14, 07:47, said:

4 needs you not to finesse J which I'd expect many weak players to do.

I would have bid the same as W with the T instead of Q (you too, I suspect) and therefore I would have taken the finesse like the weak players (not sure you could make without it if the Q is in E, which has many more spaces).
0

Share this topic:


Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users