[Echognome]

Scoring: IMP

(1♠) - 2NT - (P) - ?

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Partner bids unusual 2NT over LHO's spade bid. What do you bid now? Do you have any methods in this situation?

[luke warm]

4♣ rkc might work

[hrothgar]

Echognome, on Jun 21 2005, 03:55 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(1♠) - 2NT - (P) - ?

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Partner bids unusual 2NT over LHO's spade bid. What do you bid now? Do you have any methods in this situation?

Lets consider things carefully:

First: What is partner's expected shape shape? I'd love to see a simulation enumerating the different possibilities. I've I had to guess, I'd place partner with a 1=1=6=5, however,I could be wrong...

Second: Are we playing good/bad 2NT/ If so, I will happily bid 3♣

[Echognome]

To answer your 2nd question Richard, unfortunately we play a wide-ranging 2NT. We have more structure over our Michael's though.

[mike777]

Echognome, on Jun 20 2005, 08:21 PM, said:

To answer your 2nd question Richard, unfortunately we play a wide-ranging 2NT.  We have more structure over our Michael's though.

3NT

Give P the headache and make him play this, since he makes me play this style.


Do not know this style so at IMP's I will bid game and pass whatever P does.
If nothing else we can later in the bar discuss if this is really the best range to play.

[pclayton]

3C is plenty. Those major suit kings are pretty worthless and the hand looks like it might get tangled in 3N moreso since this hand gets put on the table.

If I was a little better I'd try 3H - forcing.

[Echognome]

I don't mind playing wide-ranging. Sure it gives a headache at times, but we will find more sacrifices. Marshall Miles advocates wide-ranging Michael's for finding the right strain even if the finding the right level is a bit tougher. It's just a matter of style.

For the 3♣ bidders (you're with me), it goes:

(1♠) - 2NT - (P) - 3♣
(3♠) - P - (P) - ?

Anything left to add now?

*edited to add bit about the auction continuation*

[civill]

3NT for the strong hand to PD's unusual 2NT,PD's 2 weak 5-5 minors are always equipollence.

[flytoox]

lots of slow cards. I will just bid a practical 3N.

[Blofeld]

I'm not sure whether I'd bid 3♣ or 3NT to begin with, but if I start with 3♣ then after the 3♠ call I think I'd like to double.

[hrothgar]

Echognome, on Jun 21 2005, 04:46 AM, said:

I don't mind playing wide-ranging. Sure it gives a headache at times, but we will find more sacrifices. Marshall Miles advocates wide-ranging Michael's for finding the right strain even if the finding the right level is a bit tougher. It's just a matter of style.

For the 3♣ bidders (you're with me), it goes:

(1♠) - 2NT - (P) - 3♣
(3♠) - P - (P) - ?

Anything left to add now?

*edited to add bit about the auction continuation*

My decision to pass over 3♠ was implicit in my initial 3♣ advance... Had I been willing to play at the 4 level opposite a weak hand, I would have bid 4♣ to begin with. (While Lukewarm apparantly plays a direct 4♣ RKCB I really question the utility of this agreement)

There are some hands where its right to walk the dog and draw a penalty double. This isn't one of them.

[Fluffy]

3NT would be clear if I played them, but that's not the case sadly, There should be a method to show limit values but I dunnow what is it, so I'll just bid 3♣

[joker_gib]

Fluffy, on Jun 21 2005, 04:52 PM, said:

3NT would be clear if I played them, but that's not the case sadly, There should be a method to show limit values but I dunnow what is it, so I'll just bid 3♣

Yes, you are right !

I don't understand the 3NT bidders !? Do they forget that partner has already bid 2NT and so will play it ?

Alain

[hrothgar]

Echognome, on Jun 21 2005, 04:46 AM, said:

I don't mind playing wide-ranging. Sure it gives a headache at times, but we will find more sacrifices. Marshall Miles advocates wide-ranging Michael's for finding the right strain even if the finding the right level is a bit tougher. It's just a matter of style.

For the 3♣ bidders (you're with me), it goes:

(1♠) - 2NT - (P) - 3♣
(3♠) - P - (P) - ?

Anything left to add now?

*edited to add bit about the auction continuation*

My decision to pass over 3♠ was implicit in my initial 3♣ advance... Had I been willing to play at the 4 level opposite a weak hand, I would have bid 4♣ to begin with. (While Lukewarm apparantly plays a direct 4♣ RKCB I really question the utility of this agreement)

There are some hands where its right to walk the dog and draw a penalty double. This isn't one of them.

[Echognome]

Scoring: IMP

(1♠) - 2NT - (P) - 3♣
(3♠) - All Pass

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Partner turned up with an annoying ♠Q which along with a 2-2 club break made 3NT unbeatable. The 2-2 club break also meant we took 3♠ two off, but only collected 100 for our efforts.

[P_Marlowe]

3NT.

After seeing your partners hand, I am happy, that it was the
right choice, but it does not need to be, but then, your other
alternatives are not really exiting.

Sign off in 3C, is no real option, playing 4C, and not even
trying for 3NT is also not really nice.
The reason I bid 3NT was, if I get hung, I prefer, that I die
defending a worthy cause.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

3NT (chosen before seeing the hands). Should have a good chance to make, as indeed it did.

[Al_U_Card]

Do you know your pard well enough to expect a 8+ hcp hand? 3H is forcing and RHO didnt raise spades so it seems likely that pard is very short in H. Since any eventual NT contract will be played by pard....3S is an attempt to play in NT but promises an invitational type hand for one of the minors (source of tricks, trump suit etc.) Depending on pard's hand he can venture 3NT knowing that you have one of his suits. If he bids his D, your return to 5C is to play.