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Hand from Bridgeclues deeper than it appears

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Posted 2005-June-18, 15:39

The following hand is today's "play" hand from www.bridgeclues.com, a great website that offers daily puzzles created by Mike Lawrence. I will give the hand plus Lawrence's text:

We No Ea So
-- -- 2♦ Dbl
3♦ 4♦ Pa 4♠
Pa Pa Pa


West leads the king of hearts, follows with the ace (east showing out) and west leads a small heart, east ruffing. East returns the jack of spades. Are you in an impossible contract?





Not hopeless but not very good, either. You can set up a heart in dummy but that only takes care of one of your four clubs. Somehow you have to play clubs for no losers.

If either opponent has a singleton king of clubs you can succeed. But that is unlikely. But it could happen.

Question: How can you find out if someone has a singleton club?



Count. East returned the jack of spades and if you draw the last trump, you see West had it. You know that East has two spades and one heart and probably six diamonds. This means East has four clubs and West has two. No singleton king of clubs on this hand.

Question: Do you have any chance at all?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-June-18, 15:40

Here is Lawrence's answer: (hidden)

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Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-June-18, 15:45

I think that this hand is deeper than what Lawrence wrote (but I'm sure he knows!). Questions:

1) What's the best argument for the fact that East has 6 diamonds, not 5?

2) Is there any way to make it against best defense?

3) Given the lead of the heart ace, is there any double-dummy defense that sets the contract?

These questions are a little harder. Advanced players please hide your answers.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-June-18, 15:50

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Posted 2005-June-18, 15:58

i must be missing something... is this the bidding?

W..........N..........E..........S
2D.........X..........3D........4D
P...........4S...... all pass

if this is true,

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Posted 2005-June-18, 16:12

Jimmy, if you play another trump, West will probably show out, so he has a 1-4-6-2 :P

I don't think any decent player won't cover ♣J if he has Kx, so it's really a no-chance contract unless ♣K is stiff. Imo it's more successfull (even if west has only 1♠) to cash the Ace (hoping for a 1-4-7-1 with no tophonour ♦), rather than to try the ♣J B)
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Posted 2005-June-18, 16:19

luke warm, on Jun 18 2005, 10:58 PM, said:

i must be missing something... is this the bidding?

W..........N..........E..........S
2D.........X..........3D........4D
P...........4S...... all pass

I don't think so, it says East was dealer, so he opened the weak two.

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Posted 2005-June-19, 01:08

cherdano, on Jun 18 2005, 10:19 PM, said:

luke warm, on Jun 18 2005, 10:58 PM, said:

i must be missing something... is this the bidding?

W..........N..........E..........S
2D.........X..........3D........4D
P...........4S...... all pass

I don't think so, it says East was dealer, so he opened the weak two.

Arend

Moreover, South declared (West was on lead), so that can't be the auction.
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Posted 2005-June-19, 08:23

Yes, East was the dealer and opened 2D, weak. Somehow the spaces that I typed in the bidding diagram disappeared. I corrected it, but it still doesn't look very good.

I must admit that just like Arend, I saw his solution before I thought of the play recommended by Lawrence.

Question (1) and (3) are still open...
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-June-19, 09:12

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Posted 2005-June-19, 16:48

i don't see the squeeze, can someone help with that? what's the squeeze card? if the ♦K is one of the menaces, how do we get to it? thx.. in meantime, i can't see anything better than lawrence's solution
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Posted 2005-June-19, 17:22

Jimmy - its sort of a neat hand. If West doesn't cover with Kx, you get 3 club tricks. If he does cover, then the Q♣ becomes the entry for the squeeze against East.
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Posted 2005-June-19, 18:03

This hand would be even better if LHO opened 2D - then you would still have to play him for K or Kx of clubs, but you would also have transfer the threat and play east for Qxxxx of diamonds.

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Posted 2005-June-19, 18:17

pclayton, on Jun 19 2005, 06:22 PM, said:

Jimmy - its sort of a neat hand. If West doesn't cover with Kx, you get 3 club tricks. If he does cover, then the Q♣ becomes the entry for the squeeze against East.

oh hell.. thanks phil.. sometimes my mind is foggier than at other times
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Posted 2005-June-20, 01:19

Question 3:

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Posted 2005-June-20, 11:21

PMetsch, on Jun 20 2005, 02:19 AM, said:

Question 3:

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Exactly, all together a very interesting hand I thought.

To answer question (1), I think that the best argument for the fact that East has 6 diamonds is not that (s)he opened 2D (would you never open 2D with AQ109x xxxxx in the minors?) but the fact that west only raised to 3D. Surely with 6-card support and a singleton club west would have bid more.
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