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## Strong or long club (or diamond)

### #1JLilly

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Posted 2021-July-27, 02:30

Does anyone know of any systems where all (or nearly all) hands above a certain strength are opened 1, as well as some stronger-than-minimum hands with primary clubs, but no other hands? That is, no balanced hands or 4441s. Polish Club and An Unassuming Club have these other hand types.

Or a strong diamond system that also has some less-strong primary diamond hands.

The idea is to get very frequent intermediate, Fantunes-style 2/ openers that pressure opps by taking stronger-than-minimum opening hands out those bids, at the expense of some loss of definition in the strong 1m opener. For example,

1 = 16+ unbal all, 17+ bal all, 14-16 6+ clubs, 14-16 5+ clubs and 4 of a major
1 = out-of-range-1NT balanced hands, 13-15 6+ diamonds, otherwise unspecified primary-diamond hands, {1,2,3}={3,2,1}=4=5
1M = 11-15(16)
1N = 14-16 or 11-13
2 = 8/9-13 6+ clubs, 8/9-13 5+ clubs and 4 of a major
2 = 7/8-12 6+ diamonds

4=4=1=4 tells the least-bad lie.

This would go well with 1red transfer responses, with opener jumping to 2M with the 14-16 5+4M hand and a fit, non-forcing, while accepting at the 1-level with a bigger hand.
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### #2JLilly

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Posted 2021-July-27, 02:31

Or make it a strong-or-long diamond system, with 0+ 1 unless 4M+5 goes canape:

1 = out-of-range-1NT balanced hands, 13-15 6+ clubs, otherwise unspecified primary-club hands, 11-15 {1,2,3}={3,2,1}=5=4, 11-15 4M+5 (if not canape)
1 = 16+ unbal all, 17+ bal all, 14-16 6+ diamonds
1M = 11-15(16)
1N = 14-16 or 11-13
2 = 8/9-13 6+ clubs, 8/9-13 5+ clubs and 4 of a major
2 = 8-13 6+ diamonds

4=4=4=1 per usual tells the least-bad lie.
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### #3Gilithin

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Posted 2021-July-27, 17:56

Take standard (or RM) Precision and reduce the maximum on your 2 opening by a point or two while decreasing the minimum for your club hands in 1. The resulting system matches your brief. You could probably do this for several families of system, getting a slightly less efficient method that you will presumably prefer.
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### #4foobar

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Posted 2021-August-01, 11:07

JLilly, on 2021-July-27, 02:31, said:

Or make it a strong-or-long diamond system, with 0+ 1 unless 4M+5 goes canape:

1 = out-of-range-1NT balanced hands, 13-15 6+ clubs, otherwise unspecified primary-club hands, 11-15 {1,2,3}={3,2,1}=5=4, 11-15 4M+5 (if not canape)
1 = 16+ unbal all, 17+ bal all, 14-16 6+ diamonds
1M = 11-15(16)
1N = 14-16 or 11-13
2 = 8/9-13 6+ clubs, 8/9-13 5+ clubs and 4 of a major
2 = 8-13 6+ diamonds

4=4=4=1 per usual tells the least-bad lie.

I think you are on the right track, and here's my suggestion.

1: 16+ any
1: Balanced hands outside range
1M: Unbalanced; can be 4441
1N: 14-16 or other NT range
2: 6+ , OR 5, 4+
2: 6+ , OR 5, 4
2M: Canapé with M
2N: 5-5 Minors, limited?
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