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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2021-July-19, 12:36



1st seat, NV, MP's
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Posted 2021-July-19, 12:53

View Postjillybean, on 2021-July-19, 12:36, said:



1st seat, NV, MP's


If have some way to show both minors at a high level, I do so
Otherwise, I pass

I would not be surprised to be bidding 4NT at my next opportunity

My second choice would be to open 4D
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Posted 2021-July-19, 12:59

Too weak for a 4NT opener for me. If I played 2NT as preemptive with both minors I would bid that, but I don't. I'd pass for lack of good alternatives. I know people who would open this 2/3 and then bid clubs on the second round, but I'm not one of them.

Also, does 'NV' mean 'nobody vulnerable'? Or just 'not vulnerable'?
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Posted 2021-July-19, 13:05

View Posthrothgar, on 2021-July-19, 12:53, said:

If have some way to show both minors at a high level, I do so
Otherwise, I pass

I would not be surprised to be bidding 4NT at my next opportunity

My second choice would be to open 4D

Is 4:4NT to play?


View PostDavidKok, on 2021-July-19, 12:59, said:

Too weak for a 4NT opener for me. If I played 2NT as preemptive with both minors I would bid that, but I don't. I'd pass for lack of good alternatives. I know people who would open this 2/3 and then bid clubs on the second round, but I'm not one of them.

Also, does 'NV' mean 'nobody vulnerable'? Or just 'not vulnerable'?


Nobody vulnerable, how should I write it?
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Posted 2021-July-19, 13:27

I'd probably just write "nobody vul.", but for all I know 'NV' could be standard. Nobody vulnerable is the most aggressive part-score vulnerability, so 2NT for the minors would be extremely helpful right now. It's still a pass for me, but the people who open 2 (weak two) and rebid 3 have my sympathies.
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Posted 2021-July-19, 14:25

I want to make as good a descriptive bid as possible therefore weak 2. tell partner what you have not got - any defence except maybe the A. there are 24 cards unaccounted in the major suits. the probability that the opponents have a fit in one major suit is very high.

by bidding you might take away some gadgets such as splinters, bergen raises and jacoby 2NT so it makes it more difficult for the opps. to judge their potential contract. partner could possibly raise you in to make matters even more difficult. passing and trying to introduce the suits later gives the opps. space.

in a competitive auction you might be able to introduce later. partner will be in no doubt what sort of hand you have. I open 2, maybe 3 if the suit was better. you are telling the truth first bid.
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Posted 2021-July-19, 14:37

Looks like a bread and butter weak 2 at any vulnerability, if that is your agreement. Not worth 3 and just good enough to rebid the clubs.
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Posted 2021-July-19, 14:59

We play 2NT as preemptive 5+ minors/9PT 5+ both minors
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Posted 2021-July-19, 15:00

'JllyBean' t1st seat, NV, MP's
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I rank
1. 3
2. 2 intending to rebid 3/4



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Posted 2021-July-19, 15:41

View PostDavidKok, on 2021-July-19, 13:27, said:

I'd probably just write "nobody vul.", but for all I know 'NV' could be standard. Nobody vulnerable is the most aggressive part-score vulnerability, so 2NT for the minors would be extremely helpful right now. It's still a pass for me, but the people who open 2 (weak two) and rebid 3 have my sympathies.


I would open 2D - I don't know what I would do after that but would not automatically bid clubs.
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Posted 2021-July-19, 15:48

Easy 3 for me at Love All and much closer to 4 than 2 (which I think is a little wet when 1-1 in the majors).
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Posted 2021-July-19, 16:30

I've been enjoying learning/playing Multi 2 so I would have 2nt available to show this hand.

With my usual system, 2nt is not available. I have the thought of opening this 1 (65!) and then, depending on the bidding, rebidding 2.
It's just a thought. I haven't acted on it yet, this wasn't my hand.

A the table it was opened a weak 2, partner responded 2.
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Posted 2021-July-19, 16:46

View Postjillybean, on 2021-July-19, 16:30, said:

With my usual system, 2nt is not available. I have the thought of opening this 1 (65!) and then, depending on the bidding, rebidding 2.
It's just a thought. I haven't acted on it yet, this wasn't my hand.

A the table it was opened a weak 2, partner responded 2.
1 is horrifying.

2-2, probably forcing? Down the rabbit hole we go! 3 and let us hope partner can take a joke. What is our plan over a 3 rebid? And what would have happened had we passed initially?
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Posted 2021-July-19, 18:03

I play 3 as weak, both minors with one partner so would open that. Failing that I would open a weak 2, and if I wasn't playing that I would pass and hope to come in with a 2NT both minors bid if partner can't open.
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Posted 2021-July-19, 18:35

Assuming no specialised gadgets are available, if I play 3 weaks I would open 2 planning on a 4 rebid. If I did not have a weak 2 available (Multi, Benji, etc) I would open 3 if the opps are NV and 4 if the opps are Vulnerable.
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Posted 2021-July-19, 20:39

View Postjillybean, on 2021-July-19, 13:05, said:

Is 4:4NT to play?




Nobody vulnerable, how should I write it?


nil Vul.
All Vul.
NS Vul
EW Vul
I'm feeling a bit Vul.
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Posted 2021-July-19, 21:32

View Postjillybean, on 2021-July-19, 13:05, said:

Nobody vulnerable, how should I write it?

Thanks to pillowsky for pointing this quote out - the usual term in newspaper or magazine columns is Love All.
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Posted 2021-July-19, 21:38

View PostDavidKok, on 2021-July-19, 16:46, said:

1 is horrifying.

Only a thought, fortunately I didn't hold that hand.

View PostDavidKok, on 2021-July-19, 16:46, said:

2-2, probably forcing? Down the rabbit hole we go! 3 and let us hope partner can take a joke. What is our plan over a 3 rebid? And what would have happened had we passed initially?

2 - 2 probably forcing? isn't that 100% forcing?

If you pass initially it will most likely go P (P) 1 (P)

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Posted 2021-July-20, 00:44

View Postjillybean, on 2021-July-19, 21:38, said:

2 - 2 probably forcing? isn't that 100% forcing?
It is 100% forcing in standard, though I personally play it as NF. I've been informed this is sufficiently unexpected that one opponent even told me I had to alert it, which is technically incorrect but a good idea in the spirit of full disclosure. I've been getting funny looks whenever I alerted this bid ever since.
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Posted 2021-July-20, 01:22

Traditional British nomenclature, where the question is about NS actions:
NV v V - green (aka favourable; EW Game)
NV v NV - white (Love All)
V v V - amber (Game All)
V v NS - red (unfavourable, NS Game)
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