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## A moose over a multi

### #1manudude03

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Posted 2021-July-16, 12:42

Gilithin, on 2021-July-16, 08:42, said:

Incidentally, that looks like a very entertaining session with several interesting hands. Perhaps you might consider posting, inter alia, Hand 7 from the other table (after Multi-2 opening) as well?

As requested...

IMPs scoring, all vul. Assume double is a big hand or a weak NT with all other overcalls being natural (and jumps are strong), what do you do here?
Wayne Somerville
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### #2LBengtsson

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Posted 2021-July-16, 13:44

It's a big hand. A very big hand. lol! So X
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Posted 2021-July-16, 15:08

ManUDude03 'IMPs scoring, all vul. Assume double is a big hand or a weak NT with all other overcalls being natural (and jumps are strong), what do you do here?'
++++++++++++++++++++
I rank...
1. Double = T/O Postpone the problem.
2. 6 = Landy slam try.

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### #4LBengtsson

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Posted 2021-July-16, 20:18

nige1, on 2021-July-16, 15:08, said:

ManUDude03 'IMPs scoring, all vul. Assume double is a big hand or a weak NT with all other overcalls being natural (and jumps are strong), what do you do here?'
++++++++++++++++++++
I rank...
1. Double = T/O Postpone the problem.
2. 6 = Landy slam try.

what is 'Landy slam try' nige1? guess at final contract and hope to make? I have never heard of this...
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Posted 2021-July-16, 21:23

LBengtsson, on 2021-July-16, 20:18, said:

what is 'Landy slam try' nige1? guess at final contract and hope to make? I have never heard of this...

Sandra Landy (no relation to Alvin) was known for the 'Landy game try' - bid game, and try to make it.
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### #6akwoo

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Posted 2021-July-16, 22:20

I think I prefer 6 to X here. The problem with X is that you're very unlikely to have some intelligent auction to figure out if 6 is on. Even if it doesn't come back to you at 4, it might come back to partner at 5 the second time around. If you're going to have to guess anyway, you might as well guess in a way that also forces the opponents to guess whether to bid 6 or not.
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Posted 2021-July-17, 01:00

[STOP CARD] 6
Searching for your own mistakes is the only way to learn this game. - Fluffy

And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. - MikeH

SLOW DOWN! This is not a speedball :)
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### #8Cyberyeti

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Posted 2021-July-17, 01:53

smerriman, on 2021-July-16, 21:23, said:

Sandra Landy (no relation to Alvin) was known for the 'Landy game try' - bid game, and try to make it.

There is a local player who has this sort of game try named after him, you also have the equivalent game invite, where you bid game and invite partner to make it.
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### #9P_Marlowe

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Posted 2021-July-17, 02:22

Hi,

X, followed by 5H.

They may sac in 6S, but I have no idea, if 6H makes, so I may get more than game.

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Marlowe
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### #10Cyberyeti

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Posted 2021-July-17, 03:59

akwoo, on 2021-July-16, 22:20, said:

I think I prefer 6 to X here. The problem with X is that you're very unlikely to have some intelligent auction to figure out if 6 is on. Even if it doesn't come back to you at 4, it might come back to partner at 5 the second time around. If you're going to have to guess anyway, you might as well guess in a way that also forces the opponents to guess whether to bid 6 or not.

It won't come back to you at 4, this is a multi, massive odds LHO passes or bids 2 if you double thinking his partner has hearts, then opener will bid 2 if partner doesn't get in the way. Any bounce will take place between you and partner next time.
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### #11pescetom

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Posted 2021-July-17, 06:09

5 = Exclusion Blackwood, in this auction?
If so it would do the trick.

Just curious, I realise OP specified all natural.
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### #12akwoo

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Posted 2021-July-17, 11:17

Cyberyeti, on 2021-July-17, 03:59, said:

It won't come back to you at 4, this is a multi, massive odds LHO passes or bids 2 if you double thinking his partner has hearts, then opener will bid 2 if partner doesn't get in the way. Any bounce will take place between you and partner next time.

I've never played Multi, but shouldn't one of P or XX show spades by responder? Or 2H can show spades and one of P and XX can show neither? The X gives responder a free option; the system should allow them to take advantage of it.
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### #13Cyberyeti

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Posted 2021-July-17, 11:27

akwoo, on 2021-July-17, 11:17, said:

I've never played Multi, but shouldn't one of P or XX show spades by responder? Or 2H can show spades and one of P and XX can show neither? The X gives responder a free option; the system should allow them to take advantage of it.

P suggests playing in diamonds (particularly if the weak 2 can be 5 cards), XX suggests a whale with some diamonds and taking some money out of something, or did when I played a multi, 2 is any other hand that wouldn't raise hearts and 2 is a heart raise.
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### #14Gilithin

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Posted 2021-July-17, 16:31

akwoo, on 2021-July-17, 11:17, said:

I've never played Multi, but shouldn't one of P or XX show spades by responder?

Typically Pass offers as a suit to play in and either i) XX asks Opener to bid their suit and bids are natural; or ii) the X is ignored with 2 being P/C and XX showing an unknown suit to play in. Maybe you could expand on your idea to produce something better?
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### #15gszes

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Posted 2021-July-21, 09:17

3h (assuming strong means at least 1 round force). This will give me the scientific edge of 5s as exclusion. If 3h is not forcing then I will opt for x and hope we can sort things out later.
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