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Beauty and the Beast An unusual squeeze

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Posted 2021-March-03, 06:53


7NT by South. Lead J

You have a good auction for once to everyone's favourite contract (come on, admit it). How are you going to play?
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Posted 2021-March-03, 08:31

View Postlamford, on 2021-March-03, 06:53, said:

You have a good auction

Which one?
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Posted 2021-March-03, 10:57

View Postnullve, on 2021-March-03, 08:31, said:

Which one?

Opponents silent throughout. 2C (FG or 20-22, may include singleton honour)-2NT(clubs)-3NT (bal, no club fit)-4C-(minorwood)-4D(3)-4H(QC?)-4S(yes and KS)-4NT(PCK)-5D-7NT
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Posted 2021-March-03, 11:48

I can come up with one simple plan.
E.g.Hearts 5-2 to West.
If E has 5 clubs neither defender can retain 3 diamonds after AH, QC, cash Spades, heart to the K, cash top clubs.

Hearts 4-3 is more things to consider.
Will get back to you.
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Posted 2021-March-03, 11:52

7NT by South. Lead J You have a good auction for once to everyone's favourite contract (come on, admit it). How are you going to play?
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Initial reaction. If RHO has 5+ s, declarer can execute a 3-2 compound squeeze, on any lead

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Posted 2021-March-03, 11:58

squeeze with no count. east hand squeezed east with 5/5. so play A, Q, A, Q, cash remainder of s, then to K. east is lost, discard dummy are good, discard then declarer is good and K is 13th trick
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Posted 2021-March-03, 12:04

View Postnige1, on 2021-March-03, 11:52, said:

7NT by South. Lead JYou have a good auction for once to everyone's favourite contract (come on, admit it). How are you going to play?
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Initial reaction. If RHO has 5+ s, declarer can execute a 3-2 compound squeeze, on any lead



You need to be careful with that construction there is a guard squeeze that operates if E discards all his diamonds allowing you to finesse the 6 later after playing JQK, what if W has the 8 or 7 ?
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Posted 2021-March-03, 13:08

Lamford: 7NT by South. Lead J You have a good auction for once to everyone's favourite contract (come on, admit it). How are you going to play?
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Initial reaction. If RHO has 5+ s, declarer can execute a compound-squeeze, on any lead
CyberYeti: You need to be careful with that construction there is a guard squeeze that operates if E discards all his diamonds allowing you to finesse the 6 later after playing JQK, what if W has the 8 or 7 ?
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Good point Cyberyeti but you only need the guard-squeeze if West leads a :)
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There also seem to be clash-squeeze possibilities, on any lead :)
Here, GIB vouchsafes that you must win a lead with dummy's A.
I don't know how you would suss out a winning line at the table :(

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Posted 2021-March-03, 14:45

Ah. So keeping QC as an entry to test one round of Diamonds first is an improvement.
Forces E to transfer heart cover back to West.
I couldn't work that out.
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Posted 2021-March-03, 14:45

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Posted 2021-March-03, 16:03

View Postnige1, on 2021-March-03, 13:08, said:

I don't know how you would suss out a winning line at the table :(

I think it is right to win the heart with the ace. Now it is not necessary to cash the Q and indeed is fatal. Instead cash four rounds of spades. East who began with five clubs and Qx is squeezed on this trick and forced to part with a heart. Now you cash the Q, cross to the K and run three more clubs squeezing West. And I don't think you are giving anything up by doing this as you still have all the simple squeezes. And I think it is wrong to cash the A early as well. Dipak Finesson, the strong Indian player born in Iceland, played this way ... (Believe that and you will believe anything).

Oh ... and thanks for the upvote, Nigel. And on a club lead, you play much the same but you must not touch hearts too soon. So play four rounds of spades. Again East is squeezed out of a heart. Now cross to KH and run clubs squeezing West.
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Posted 2021-March-03, 17:43


On a non- lead, when East has 5+ , you don't need to rely on a clash or guard-squeeze.
The quacks don't affect the play.
Win the opening lead and cash 4 s, discarding a .
East must keep his s -- so must abandon a red suit


If East abandons s cash Q, AK, K, s to reach this 3 card ending.
Cashing J completes the non-simultaneous double-squeeze :)


If East abandons s, you reach this similar ending. Again J completes the non-simultaneous double-squeeze :)

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Posted 2021-March-03, 18:42

View Postnige1, on 2021-March-03, 17:43, said:

On a non- lead, when East has 5+ , you don't need to rely on a clash or guard-squeeze.

But surely the expert defenders will always lead a heart to attack the pivot suit ... This is the expert forum, not the beginner or novice one ... :)
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Posted 2021-March-04, 08:13

Lamford: But surely the expert defenders will always lead a heart to attack the pivot suit ... This is the expert forum, not the beginner or novice one ... :).
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Lamford implies that experts self-kibitz :(
Either or neither red-suit could be a pivot suit :)
It depends on which suit has honours split between the North-South hands :)
For example, in the layout above, both red-suits are pivots and there is no defence :)

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Posted 2021-March-04, 10:12

View PostLBengtsson, on 2021-March-03, 11:58, said:

squeeze with no count. east hand squeezed east with 5/5. so play A, Q, A, Q, cash remainder of s, then to K. east is lost, discard dummy are good, discard then declarer is good and K is 13th trick


good replies from other forum experts. my reply was garbage lol. [one minute analysis]
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Posted 2021-March-04, 16:30

View Postlamford, on 2021-March-03, 18:42, said:

But surely the expert defenders will always lead a heart to attack the pivot suit ... This is the expert forum, not the beginner or novice one ... :)

I can think of many descriptions for defenders who know to lead heart to attack the pivot suit, but expert isn't one of those words.
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Posted 2021-March-05, 17:06

I was not suggesting experts self-kibitz. Only a few days ago I was on a hearing into a player who had made 7NT here:

West did lead a heart, but there was no defence on any lead, and you will have no problem constructing the layout. Of course you would not be able to discern the heart pips, unless I tell you that East's were all higher than West's.

We found unanimously that there was no evidence whatsoever of self-kibitzing. Declarer had played for the only possible layout and come up trumps (metaphorically that is).
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