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## missed game I found this hard to judge

### #21Cyberyeti

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Posted 2021-February-14, 12:46

morecharac, on 2021-February-14, 10:58, said:

She definitely needs more than two aces to make the initial takeout double.

I'm talking about opposite a ToX (where the 4 count is) on the hand you were talking about, Qxxx, x, KQxxx, KQx saying that hand shouldn't raise to 4. I was saying why not, and saying the hand I gave makes game.
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### #22morecharac

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Posted 2021-February-15, 00:48

Cyberyeti, on 2021-February-14, 12:46, said:

I'm talking about opposite a ToX (where the 4 count is) on the hand you were talking about, Qxxx, x, KQxxx, KQx saying that hand shouldn't raise to 4. I was saying why not, and saying the hand I gave makes game.

If she doesn't expect to set 4 and needs me to have two perfectly placed aces to make game, she should sell out to 3.

Otherwise she has to be willing to bid on to 5 without me if her 4 pushes opponents to 4.

Beyond the fact that 4 is my favourite contract, I don't think it's a reasonable gamble to chance -300 to stop -140. I'd expect the room to be in 4 making with that auction and the hand you described her having.
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