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#1 User is offline   david_c 

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Posted 2005-June-08, 17:55

Scoring: MP

3NT by South
Lead: ♠6

This is a hand from tonight's duplicate at the local club. We reached 3NT on the auction 1♣:1♥,1♠:3NT. How should I have played it?
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Posted 2005-June-08, 18:11

good post. This is very complicated due to the MP angle.

The first thing to realize is due to the entry situation you can never pickup stiff club honor on your left by leading low from hand. The second thing is ideally you'd like lho on lead (so no heart through). Also you'd like to double finesse clubs if the QJ are onside. Ugh!. OK I'll duck one because of the screwed up entry situation. So win ace and run the club ten. Duck even (especially) if lho plays an honor. My hope is that when rho is in he will not know which red suit to play and will try a diamond. This is likely given T9 in dummy of hearts and stiff small diamond. If this is the case I'll go for the cash and lead AK of diamonds pitching a heart and play a club to the ace (unless i have some table feel). If rho comes a LOW heart, i'll again have a terrible guess. I would probably use table feel but at the table most likely I would put up the king on the basis that I'm getting a bad board if lho has the ace and they've found this defense. from QJ they'd play the Q, so if lho has AQ dub suit is blocked as well. Anyways, I would again play a club to the ace now. Note, this is the percentage play despite "restricted choice" because its restricted chocie against QJ dub AND QJ third. Half of both of those combos are more likely than stiff honor.
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Posted 2005-June-08, 18:27

Win the ace and run the ♣10 even if they cover, aim for ♣3-2 and play for a ♦ switch to score a top.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 03:56

I see two lines:

(1)
Win ♠A and play ♣3, if LHO plays Q/J win and play a small ♣ otherwise let it run. Don't play the ♣T on the first round, because you never take a finesse on the second round of clubs and it is wrong if LHO has Q/J singleton.

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Win in dummy and play ♣2. This might be the winning line if RHO has Jx(x) and is sleeping. You can untangle the spade suit later on if LHO doesn't play back a ♣.

I like (2).

Edit: If LHO takes ♣T with the Jack, then you might finesse the queen on the second round if you believe RHO cannot duck a club with Qx(x).
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Posted 2005-June-09, 07:57

lol, why is this in beginner/int anyways. I think its quite complicated/interesting even for an expert
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Posted 2005-June-09, 08:30

Because if ♣ are 4-1 you and me might feel like beginners :-P
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Posted 2005-June-09, 09:34

If RHO has ♣quack-8xx, the suit is dead. If you lead a small club, overtake LHO's quack and return a small club. RHO has obvious duck to kill club suit. If you duck LHO's quack, LHO will continue spades and again kill the club suit.

If LHO has ♣quack-8xx, you have similar problem. If you run the ♣10, lose to quack, and take a 2nd round finesse, you may lose to RHO's ♣QJx, which comes up more often.

Now suppose LHO has ♣QJx. You lead the ♣10, winning LHO's cover. Now what? How do you safely get back to hand for 2nd round finesse? Don't want to cash 2 ♦ and lose to RHO's ♣quack-xx

I think the solution is take ♠A and ♣AK to test waters. If clubs are 3-2, lead a third ♣ and weather the heart switch.

If clubs are 4-1, you need a heart trick(s). Based on last fiasco, I'll let someone else figure out best heart play line. :P
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Posted 2005-June-09, 10:03

PriorKnowledge, on Jun 9 2005, 10:34 AM, said:

If RHO has ♣quack-8xx, the suit is dead. If you lead a small club, overtake LHO's quack and return a small club. RHO has obvious duck to kill club suit.

Sure, but you have 9 tricks and can play a heart to the king for 10.

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I think the solution is take ♠A and ♣AK to test waters. If clubs are 3-2, lead a third ♣ and weather the heart switch.

I don't like this line because:
- If the clubs don't break you only have 8 tricks.
- LHO may have a chance to signal on the third round of ♣.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 10:27

1.what was the opening lead?
2. i would run 10♣
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Posted 2005-June-09, 10:45

Jlall, on Jun 9 2005, 08:57 AM, said:

lol, why is this in beginner/int anyways.

:P It's here because I suspected I'd made an intermediate-level mistake on the hand ...

At the table I decided to cash ♣AK, thinking that I wanted to keep RHO off lead if at all possible. But I'd overlooked the fact that it would be very difficult for RHO to find the heart return, as long as her partner hadn't been given the chance to signal.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 13:03

right, but your line is a good techincal line. Just inferior for deceptive purposes, I don't consider that a beginner mistake at all and may be the correct line (you pick up QJ tight of clubs on your right as a bonus).
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Posted 2005-June-09, 17:47

at imps i'd duck a club all around, but at matchpoints i'd play off the A, K just as you did... as justin said in another post (i think it was him), this isn't bridge it's matchpoints
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Posted 2005-June-09, 17:48

luke warm, on Jun 10 2005, 12:47 AM, said:

at imps i'd duck a club all around, but at matchpoints i'd play off the A, K just as you did... as justin said in another post (i think it was him), this isn't bridge it's matchpoints

Even if it wasn't Justin, it probably was.
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Posted 2005-June-09, 17:58

ROFLMAO
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Posted 2005-June-09, 19:06

lol...sounds like something I'd say.
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Posted 2005-June-10, 03:18

luke warm, on Jun 9 2005, 06:58 PM, said:

ROFLMAO

Can you explain that, Jimmy ? :unsure:

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Posted 2005-June-10, 04:15

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Posted 2005-June-10, 05:31

Wow !

I'm ROFLMAO !! :( :D :D
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Posted 2005-June-10, 05:54

How about SpJ from table overtaken by SpA in hand to create a second entry? Then finessing the clubs twice crossing fingers that opps don't find the heart switch on time.

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Posted 2005-June-10, 07:46

Actually it was me who said that yo you Jimmy, ,after you bypassed 3NT with big ♣ hand or something like.
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