[awm]

I'd bid 4♣ with this hand. After all, my 1♣ opening is frequently a weak notrump, and partner needs to know that I have real clubs here. We could have a slam in clubs, or clubs may play better than spades. We may also have a spade slam, in which case knowing about my club strength (and that I have only two spades) will be the key to partner making the right evaluation. The auction shouldn't die in 4♣; most likely partner will make some call like 4♦ or 4♥ over which I can try 4♠. I agree that 4♠ is the most likely contract to be correct, but I think we have the opportunity to give partner more information with which to judge, without bypassing the 4♠ spot.

For example, partner might hold:

KJTxx
Ax
KQ
xxxx

I like our chances in 6♣, but we're not likely to get there after a 4♠ call by me. The hand from the previous thread is another similar example.

If RHO raises to 4♥, passing seems safe. Partner can bid 4♠ (I will pass), 5♣ (in which case clubs is almost surely better than spades), or double (which I can pull to 4♠). This seems to clarify the situation more than a voluntary 4♠ bid would.

[luke warm]

this is like another thread where i asked whether everyone agreed 3♠ (in that post) was game forcing... if it is, pass has to be forcing... i personally don't think it is a game forcing bid, which is one reason i prefer nfb

why can't partner have a 6 spade 10 count and just be competing? whether or not that's enough for game isn't the issue, to me... the forcing (or not) nature of the bid is

[microcap]

The Unhappy End of the Story

Partner has

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4 spades is a disaster, whereas 5 clubs goes down one. Opps did well to push with the preempt.

Should partner bid 3♠, double, or pass with this hand? See Part 1 a few threads back.

I felt that Rex had no business bidding 4♠ over the 4♥ raise. He thought my 3♠ bid was not best. Thanks as always to the expert opinions here...

[mike777]

microcap, on Jun 10 2005, 08:08 AM, said:

The Unhappy End of the Story

Partner has

---

4 spades is a disaster, whereas 5 clubs goes down one. Opps did well to push with the preempt.

Should partner bid 3♠, double, or pass with this hand? See Part 1 a few threads back.

I felt that Rex had no business bidding 4♠ over the 4♥ raise. He thought my 3♠ bid was not best. Thanks as always to the expert opinions here...

Why bid 4s over 4h here, what was your partner's logic or was it just a guess bid of 4s?
Simple Law math says:
18 trump=+300 compared to +420 or +500 compared to minus 50.
17 trump=+500

So pass

[shanbari]

microcap, on Jun 10 2005, 08:08 AM, said:

The Unhappy End of the Story

Partner has

---

4 spades is a disaster, whereas 5 clubs goes down one. Opps did well to push with the preempt.

Should partner bid 3♠, double, or pass with this hand? See Part 1 a few threads back.

I felt that Rex had no business bidding 4♠ over the 4♥ raise. He thought my 3♠ bid was not best. Thanks as always to the expert opinions here...

i won't overcall 3s here, i rather X or pass.

if i missed some partscore, so let it be, we have to give some credit to opps' preempty.

shan

[microcap]

Here are Rex's own words in defense of the bid of 4♠ over opps 4♥.
"So you are telling me that with a hand like Kxxxxx x KQx
Qxx you are doing what over 4H if I pass? Qx is fair support. If I
pass are you
going to bid such a suit again at the four level?

Now you are going to say that with your actual hand you
will support
clubs as you know in MU I must have real clubs. But I
think that is
resulting. How can we find 6-2 fit if I do not support
with Qx? How
do we not get to 5C with inadequate values when there is no
spade fit?
Once a forcing and unlimited 3S call is made it is not clear to me to
pass this min with support this good. So put it out for
the follow up
question and lets see what they say."

From the horse's mouth LOL

[Winstonm]

For me, I would make the Plano bid of 4S over 3H.
Over 4H, pass, and agree with Justin that this is forcing.

Am I forgiven, Roland?

WinstonM