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Cheaper minor -- 4- total points; North gets me again Your call

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Alert 3NT Cheaper minor -- 4- total points

  1. Play in 3NT (4 votes [80.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 80.00%

  2. Minors are inexpensive (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Bid Clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Get a coffee and come back later (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Bid diamonds (1 votes [20.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  6. Learn to play better and stop bothering me (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. It's the unusual 3NT - obviously (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2021-January-11, 18:10

View Postpilowsky, on 2021-January-03, 23:57, said:

I don't like it much either, although 2 does seem to mean forcing for at least one round in most situations.
What do you suggest as an alternative? There seems to be an entrenched dislike for Benjamin two's. What does one open with hands that look like these?:
  • K&R (AK983 AJT43 A2 A) = 24.45 DK 22- or
  • K&R (AK983 A9843 A2 A) = 23.20 DK = 20 or worse
  • K&R (AK983 A9843 A2 2) = 19.80 DK = 16

These hands give newbies like me nightmares. Too big, wrong shape, very annoying.


I stopped using KR. I cant do it quickly in my head so its useless to me :)

I spent a while trying to compare my assessment of hands using simpler methods with KR. I even tried learning it to see if I could work it out in my head etc :) When I say simpler sometimes I don't even care about how many points :)

But as an aside, revisiting this thread after a while, it never ceases to amaze me how much of the discussion involves other meanings of 3NT other than one your partner bid :)
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Posted 2021-January-11, 19:53

View Postthepossum, on 2021-January-11, 18:10, said:

I stopped using KR. I cant do it quickly in my head so its useless to me :)

I spent a while trying to compare my assessment of hands using simpler methods with KR. I even tried learning it to see if I could work it out in my head etc :) When I say simpler sometimes I don't even care about how many points :)

But as an aside, revisiting this thread after a while, it never ceases to amaze me how much of the discussion involves other meanings of 3NT other than one your partner bid :)


I'm with you there.
Between counting winners, quick tricks, losers etc I'd never make an opening bid.
It at the moment I'm staring at <19% in today's daylong - I might have to start playing Snap. No doubt there's a Snap Forum where I can get my ideas corrected as well Posted Image.
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Posted 2021-January-11, 22:35

View Postpilowsky, on 2021-January-11, 19:53, said:

I'm with you there.
Between counting winners, quick tricks, losers etc I'd never make an opening bid.
It at the moment I'm staring at <19% in today's daylong - I might have to start playing Snap. No doubt there's a Snap Forum where I can get my ideas corrected as well Posted Image.
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