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#1 User is offline   apollo1201 

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Posted 2020-October-29, 16:11

Confinement season 2 episode 1 here, so we practiced online with friends.

IMPs, all red. You deal and have the nice following collection

AJ2
AQT7
K8
AT65

Playing strong NT 5cM , you open 1C after 2 passes. LHO passes, partner bids 1S, and RHO bids 2D.

Let’s say you X, showing either 3-cd S in a non-minimal hand, or a stronger hand but not necessarily with 3S (eg 18-19 w/o D stopper).

Partner bids 2S.

What should you bid now?

I chose 2NT to show strength and stopper so partner can be sure I have 3-cd support. But not sure if it is the best bid.

Anyway, partner persists with 3S. What now?
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Posted 2020-November-04, 05:28

It sounds like partner holds a dirt minimum with a long spade suit, and is telling you his hand is only useful in a spade contract. Partner seems to be trying to play in a spade partscore, so I pass. Partner could have bid 4 at their second turn, and you have shown your hand once you bid 2NT.
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Posted 2020-November-04, 05:43

What would 2 from partner have been first time ?
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Posted 2020-November-04, 06:19

4S?

You have a fit, partner did respond.
I am not sure, what 2NT showes, bal. 15-17 is out,
15-17 6322 would is out as well, what is left? bal. 18+ with stopper?
This would make the 3S bid forcing, leaving it to you to bid 3NT or 4S.
Most likely due to this, 3S should also be 6+.
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Posted 2020-November-04, 06:21

4S?

You have a fit, partner did respond. And if partner has a w2 in spades
I am going to bid game.

I am not sure, what 2NT showes, bal. 15-17 is out,
15-17 6322 would is out as well, what is left? bal. 18+ with stopper?
basically making the bid forcing, leaving it to you to bid 3NT or 4S.
Most likely due to this, 3S should be 6+.
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Posted 2020-November-04, 16:15

View PostCyberyeti, on 2020-November-04, 05:43, said:

What would 2 from partner have been first time ?

He could have only 4 cards and prefer to play a 4-3 fit, than venture to the 3-level especially w/o tolerance for my 1st suit.
And obviously no game interested or invitation so probably 8-9 at most.
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Posted 2020-November-04, 16:20

View Postapollo1201, on 2020-November-04, 16:15, said:

He could have only 4 cards and prefer to play a 4-3 fit, than venture to the 3-level especially w/o tolerance for my 1st suit.
And obviously no game interested or invitation so probably 8-9 at most.


1-2 means what in your system ? because if that is what he does on K10xxxx and out or plus a quack or too, I want to be in game opposite that, but if it's ruled out ...

It also says you deal, and you open 1 after 2 passes, which is it ?
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Posted 2020-November-04, 16:22

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2020-November-04, 06:21, said:

I am not sure, what 2NT showes, bal. 15-17 is out,
15-17 6322 would is out as well, what is left? bal. 18+ with stopper?
basically making the bid forcing, leaving it to you to bid 3NT or 4S.
Most likely due to this, 3S should be 6+.

It is a good question on follow up after « support » doubles. Not sure there is a consensus. Even on the support X.

The way we play it is that it is not a non descript min bal with 3 spades. It is often unbalanced (or a pure 3325), non minimal. Can also be a 18-19 bal w/o stopper, or a strong 1-suiter too strong for a competitive bid of 3C. With minimal balanced hands, better let partner balance if they can, or defend, than oblige them to play a 4-3 fit with 2 flat hands and a combined 18 count.

The 2NT bid direct is as unopposed (with stopper obviously). So I thought that having Xed first it shows now 18-19 bal with 3S and stopper.

But I should have respected partner on this deal as 4S went down.

Partner had warned me of a weak hand (5 small S, HK and CQJ).

I thought all my points worked but the lead was DQ and the A was after dummy.
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