[FrancesHinden]

If I play a method, then I would use it to show a mild slam try with clubs.
If I don't play any methods, then I would bid 3C, natural and forcing with clubs (tricky game, isn't it?). I will then make no more slam tries.

[Walddk]

shanbari, on Jun 6 2005, 01:29 PM, said:

hi roland,

i don't have issue with 1c opening, your method is sound.
i am more curious about 1d opening here. (sorry, this is not relative to the original post.)

shan

I don't have a problem after a 1♦ opening, because 3♦ is forcing over a 2NT rebid. I have one non forcing bid available: pass.

Roland

[HeartA]

I would try slam, too, based on whatever convention is available. Wolf might be the best.

[civill]

How about checkback?

[Fluffy]

Checkback allows you to find about 2335 distribution, and I guess the slam will be reached, as well as if yousuggest a slam intention below 3NT. Here is what partner held:

♠Ax
♥Kxx
♦AJx
♣AK109x

The hand is almost perfect fit to make the slam absoulutelly cold, that makes me wonder if trying slam was the best bid after all.

[han]

Like Arend, I would bid 3S to show clubs, and pass if partner signs off in 3NT.

I strongly suspect that my partner would have upgraded this 19 count to a 2NT opener. Nice suit, nice contrcols!

[inquiry]

Hannie, on Jun 7 2005, 09:10 AM, said:

Like Arend, I would bid 3S to show clubs, and pass if partner signs off in 3NT.

I strongly suspect that my partner would have upgraded this 19 count to a 2NT opener. Nice suit, nice contrcols!

This is certainly far from standard treatment after 1m-1S-2NT. Are you suggesting that you play "system on" after this 2NT rebid as if partner opened 2NT? And thus, a 3NT bid over your partner jump to 2NT shows diamonds (since 3S, your initial suit), showed clubs? And that 3♦ is transfer to hearts, and if 3♦ is transfer to hearts after you showed spades (and thus presumably 5-4), what would 3♣ be? Stayman (not needed if 3♦ is transfer), signoff?

[han]

inquiry, on Jun 7 2005, 08:45 AM, said:

Hannie, on Jun 7 2005, 09:10 AM, said:

Like Arend, I would bid 3S to show clubs, and pass if partner signs off in 3NT.

I strongly suspect that my partner would have upgraded this 19 count to a 2NT opener. Nice suit, nice contrcols!

This is certainly far from standard treatment after 1m-1S-2NT. Are you suggesting that you play "system on" after this 2NT rebid as if partner opened 2NT?

No, I'm not suggesting "systems on", any bid is a transfer. For instance, 1C-1S-2NT-3D would show at least 5-4 in the majors (by inference). 3C always shows diamonds, 3D shows hearts, 3H shows spades (in this case 5+ and denies 4+ hearts) and 3S shows clubs.

[mike777]

Fluffy, on Jun 6 2005, 09:33 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP+BAM

S - W - N - E
1♣-ps-1♠-ps
2NT-ps-???

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1♣ is best minor, 2NT is 18-19 Balanced.

For those with some free time here is another take:
email from buddy

Actually, in our 2NT rebid structure, that I delevoped a while back, the 3C bid
IS a very refined version of Baron.....i bet you will like it....as a overview, it goes like this:

first off....you bid 3D...not 3C....with a 1 suited slam try, or when you have a 5 card major suit and no slam asparations.
Or when you have 2 five card suits.....

So you bid 3C....when you are interested in a slam in another suit (you are 4-4)....or in slam in your suit or another suit when you are 5-4,
or possibly in 2 other suits....you are 4-4-4-1, or even in one of 3 suits....you are 5-4-4-0!!


1m - 1M
2NT - 3C Inititiates the Baron sequence....everything is in steps after this point, because we prioritize the fits in the order of
importance we want to find them...(for example, you want a 4-4 major ahead of a 5-3 major, and major fits ahead of
minor fits.......

3D - shows 4 cards in unbid major
3H - shows 3 cards in partner's suit (if bid by opener), or 5 cards in responders major, if bid by responder
3S - shows 4+ clubs
3NT - a sign-off. Sometimes partner will know you must have diamonds, and he should bid on if he fits you.
4C - shows 4+ diamonds when 3NT doesnt garentee them AND also when you are responder and can't afford for pard to pass 3NT,
Otherwise, treat it as a higher bid--a cue bid in support of partner's last bid suit.
Higher bids -- confirm a fit for pards last shown suit.

All bids that blow past the trail of baron bids confirm a fit for the last suit partner indicated. Kickback is available, and often is
used if we are in the slam zone.

When in Baron mode, as you know, you bid the first step along the trail that matches what you have.

Examples:

1C - 1H Opener shows 4 spades....Responder denies 5 Hearts or 4 clubs.
2NT - 3C He must be x44x, but is willing to stay in 3NT, if opener does not have 4
3D - 3NT
?? If opener bids on, diamond must be trumps...and you investigate for 6.


1C - 1H Opener shows 4 spades....Responder denies 5 Hearts or 4 clubs.
2NT - 3C He must be x44x, but is not willing to stay in 3NT -- he must have enough
3D - 4C to at least invite to 6NT. Without a fit, opener should sign off in NT with
?? a minimum, or blast 6NT with a max....with a fit, opener bids a suit, probably
4D, but could also bid 4H as kickback....

1C - 1H Opener shows 4 spades....Responder is bidding off the trail...He is confiming
2NT - 3C a 4-4 spade fit, and is cue-bidding for slam
3D - 4D
??

1C - 1H Opener shows 4 spades and 4 clubs....Responder has 5 Hearts and 4 diamonds,
2NT - 3C but he knows opener cant have a fit. He is signing off.
3D - 3H
3S - 3NT
Pass

1C - 1H Opener shows 4 spades and 4 clubs....Responder has 5 Hearts and 4 diamonds,
2NT - 3C but he knows opener cant have a fit. He again must have a hand where he still
3D - 3H wants to at least invite a NT slam....he cant directly bid 4NT as that would confirm
3S - 4C clubs.....


1C - 1H Opener shows 4 spades and 4 clubs....Responder is bidding off the trail,
2NT - 3C He is confirming clubs, and kicking back for clubs as well
3D - 3H
3S - 4D

1C - 1H Opener shows 4 spades and 4 clubs....Responder is bidding off the trail,
2NT - 3C He is confirming clubs, and since 4D is kickback, he bids 4NT as a displaced
3D - 3H Diamond cue bid.
3S - 4NT


1D - 1H Opener denies 4 spades and shows 3 hearts....Responder denies 5 hearts ,
2NT - 3C and is showing 4 clubs. Opener has to have 4 cards in at least one minor.
3H - 3S He bids 3NT to deny four clubs. Any thing else to confirm them.
?? If he bids 3NT, any new suit bid by responder confirms a diamond fit!

1D - 1H Opener denies 4 spades and shows 3 hearts....Responder denies 5 hearts ,
2NT - 3C and denies 4 clubs. Since it is possible for him to not have diamonds, he
3H - 3N could have been 44xx and just checking back for a 4-4 spade fit, 3NT is a
?? sign-off denying diamonds, and opener must pass....


1D - 1H Opener denies 4 spades and shows 3 hearts....Responder denies 5 hearts ,
2NT - 3C and denies 4 clubs. Since it is possible for him to not have diamonds, he
3H - 4C must bid 4C to show them..he is x44x. Opener must bail out to 4NT to
deny a diamond fit at this point, with any other bid confirming it.

1C - 1H Opener denies 4 spades and denies 3 hearts....Responder could have,
2NT - 3C anything. He bids 3NT to sign off -- he was 44xx or 45xx. He bids 4C
3S - ?? to look for a diamond fit, and bids higher stuff to confirm clubs.


Notice, in all of this, we haven't considered at all which minor was opened...I invented it to go with a system where you might
have opened in either minor...If we qualify that you must open you longer minor, and always opena diamond with 4-4, we
could modify this more...although i doubt if it needs it...and im getting an urge to go back to the full funniest minor structure
anyway, hehe.....











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[Fluffy]

Jlall, on Jun 7 2005, 02:03 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Jun 7 2005, 07:39 AM, said:

Checkback allows you to find about 2335 distribution, and I guess the slam will be reached, as well as if yousuggest a slam intention below 3NT. Here is what partner held:

♠Ax
♥Kxx
♦AJx
♣AK109x

The hand is almost perfect fit to make the slam absoulutelly cold, that makes me wonder if trying slam was the best bid after all.

This looks like a 2N opener to me. Judgement is allowed

I knew someone would say that GRRGRGRRGR

[LukeG]

Peter Weichsel has a good set of agreements for handling 2NT jump rebids. For Bridge Today subscribers, see the October 2004 issue.

His basic suggestion when responder has bid 1H or 1S is that 3C is a Wolff signoff and that 3D is checkback Stayman. The sequence 1C-1S-2NT-3C-any-3NT shows a mild slam try in clubs. If responder bids 4C instead of 3NT that's a serious slam try in clubs.