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Posted 2020-September-20, 18:39

View PostCyberyeti, on 2020-September-20, 10:27, said:

Something I've seen that I'd never thought about before.

Various people are saying RIP RBG.

RIP implicitly is rooted in the Christian view of the afterlife, and thus shouldn't be used for RBG who was Jewish.

Jews believe in an afterlife, too.

But regardless, it's become an idiom, people don't necessarily mean it literally. Many atheists say "bless you" or "gesundheit" when someone around them sneezes. And RIP is just something you say when someone dies.

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Posted 2020-September-20, 18:52

Gesundheit just means “health.” No problem for atheists saying it. I’ve never said “God bless you” to anyone although I confess to the occasional “jeez” when frustrated.
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Posted 2020-September-20, 20:35

I don’t see how “rest in peace” implies an afterlife.
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Posted 2020-September-20, 21:10

View PostVampyr, on 2020-September-20, 20:35, said:

I don't see how "rest in peace" implies an afterlife.


"rest in peace" implies that you want the person who has died to rest peacefully. For this to happen, there must be an 'existence' after death in which this rest can take place. In other words an afterlife.
Instead, Most Jews wish the relatives a 'long life' My Moslem colleagues tell me that they do the same. This phrase is succour for the living.
Americans - as I understand it - express 'sorrow for your loss'. I'm sure it's just a cultural thing. It's not a common phrase in Australia.
I suspect that most people have little direct experience of death. Fewer are actually responsible for peoples lives.
The extent to which the burden of responsibility for another persons life weighs on a person varies tremendously.
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Posted 2020-September-21, 02:49

View PostVampyr, on 2020-September-20, 20:35, said:

I don’t see how “rest in peace” implies an afterlife.


Rest in peace does a little bit, but RIP comes from requiescat in pace which is intimately tied up with the Catholic church and Christian burial
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Posted 2020-September-21, 07:35

View PostCyberyeti, on 2020-September-21, 02:49, said:

Rest in peace does a little bit, but RIP comes from requiescat in pace which is intimately tied up with the Catholic church and Christian burial


Well, yes I mean I have sung Requiems by Faure, Verdi, Mozart and one or to others; I know the Latin words. But the initials could be either, and English speakers will say Rest in Peace.
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Posted 2020-September-21, 08:50

View PostVampyr, on 2020-September-21, 07:35, said:

Well, yes I mean I have sung Requiems by Faure, Verdi, Mozart and one or to others; I know the Latin words. But the initials could be either, and English speakers will say Rest in Peace.


They could, but the reason RIP is used is because that appeared on gravestones for hundreds of years and that was definitely because of the Latin up until VERY recently.
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Posted 2020-September-21, 09:36

The Wikipedia article claims that the Latin phrase was also used in Judaism and gives an example from 688/689 AD to support this.
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Posted 2020-September-21, 10:49

View PostPeterAlan, on 2020-September-21, 09:36, said:

The Wikipedia article claims that the Latin phrase was also used in Judaism and gives an example from 688/689 AD to support this.


Interesting, although still inappropriate for other religions where it is also used, I've seen a lot of Jewish tombstones over the years, and while I don't remember seeing it, I can't say it never happens.
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Posted 2020-September-21, 14:24

we're moving a little off peacet here folks Posted Image
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