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Strong 2 with 6-5

Poll: What do you open in all 4 cases I II III and IV ? (15 member(s) have cast votes)

Case I

  1. Open 1D (9 votes [60.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.00%

  2. Open 1H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Open 2D (natural strong) (3 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  4. Open 2H (natural strong) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Open 2C (artificial) (3 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

Case II

  1. Open 1D (7 votes [46.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.67%

  2. Open 1H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Open 2D (natural strong) (5 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  4. Open 2H (natural strong) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Open 2C (artificial) (3 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

Case III

  1. Open 1C (1 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  2. Open 1D (6 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  3. Open 2D (natural strong) (5 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  4. Open 2C (artificial) (3 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

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#21 User is offline   Douglas43 

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Posted 2020-October-03, 07:35

View PostVampyr, on 2020-September-06, 14:20, said:

Natural strong twos are decades out of date here, but Benji players will have 2 as a second strong artificial bid.


For background Acol Twos were natural strong twos, just short of the values for 2C which was a game force. They showed 8 playing tricks and usually an agreed minimum number of hcp or honour tricks (so not just AKQxxxxx and bust). Forcing for one round, they guaranteed opener a chance to show a second suit if held.

Acol twos were still "standard" when I started playing in the 1970s and they are useful when they come up, especially at IMPs scoring. But as Vampyr says, they have been out of fashion for decades. Most pairs in the UK play some variation of weak twos / multi 2D / weak 5-5s etc

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Posted 2020-October-18, 08:46

View Postpescetom, on 2020-September-06, 05:49, said:

I would feel surprised that opponents with 17 HCP and a fit in spades remained silent. Such combinations are unlikely in any event, and bidding with the field (assuming we are in the 21st century and nobody plays strong 2 diamonds) takes out much of the remaining risk.


I would feel not at all surprised, if the bidding goes: 1 - p - p - p. After two passes the last bidder makes a decision. That's why I open 2 .
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Posted 2020-October-18, 09:47

View Posthaka9, on 2020-October-18, 08:46, said:

I would feel not at all surprised, if the bidding goes: 1 - p - p - p. After two passes the last bidder makes a decision. That's why I open 2 .

Here

Spoiler

are 100 random deals using the following Dealer code:

predeal south S4, HAKQJ2, DAQ8752, CA
produce 100

I guess the auction could go 1-AP on board 45.
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Posted 2020-October-21, 08:23

View PostVampyr, on 2020-September-05, 05:08, said:

Still better than trying to show two suits after a 2 opening.

I don't understand this.
2 - 2(say, for me an ace or a king)
2(natural suit) - 2 (denies 3 card support)
3 (second suit)
is normal, and I don't see a problem.
Then if R bids 3 it is preference, and then 3 asks "stuff", or if R prefers diamonds he shows "stuff" with bids that bypass hearts, so here that would be 3 upwards.
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Posted 2020-October-21, 10:01

A big risk with opening 2 is that, by virtue of you having so much shape, one of those pesky opponents also rates to have a long suit. What is your bid to show this hand after 2-(3)-P-(P); ?
Similarly, partner (the middle opponent) might have long spades and a few points and jump the gun. Conversely, with all those spades and clubs outstanding it is unlikely a 1-opening will be passed out.
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Posted 2020-October-23, 11:34

View PostTramticket, on 2020-September-06, 02:58, said:

Only if you get a second bid. These are all two-loser hands.


The chances of it getting passed out given your shape are extremely small. Someone has the spades, and there are 20 HCP divided between the three other hands.

More of an issue is playing catchup throughout the auction, as partner is never playing you for a two loser hand.
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Posted 2020-October-23, 11:41

View Postnullve, on 2020-October-18, 09:47, said:

Here

Spoiler

are 100 random deals using the following Dealer code:

predeal south S4, HAKQJ2, DAQ8752, CA
produce 100

I guess the auction could go 1-AP on board 45.


I doubt it. I'd overcall 1 on the East hand in the passout seat. Then when South reverses into hearts, West raises to 2 or 3.
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Posted 2020-October-23, 18:55

View PostfromageGB, on 2020-October-21, 08:23, said:

I don't understand this.
2 - 2(say, for me an ace or a king)
2(natural suit) - 2 (denies 3 card support)
3 (second suit)
is normal, and I don't see a problem.
Then if R bids 3 it is preference, and then 3 asks "stuff", or if R prefers diamonds he shows "stuff" with bids that bypass hearts, so here that would be 3 upwards.


I don’t think many people play 2 as you do; maybe they should but anyway interference will be inconvenient.

A popular style is to jump to game at your second turn (as responder) if you lack a key card.
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