[pbleighton]

Practice bidding Precision, using 2/1 GF over the majors, the bidding went 1S-2D-2H-2S(meant as slow arrival - good 3 card support, some slam interest)-3H.
Partner was 55 in the majors, so this was meant as a rebid. How would he have cue bid the heart ace if he had slam interest and 4 hearts?

Does it make any difference that the opening is limited (11-15 hcp)?

Peter

[luis]

You can post the hands as a way to start.....
3h should be showing a 5-5 hand then a subsequent heart bid can be used to show the hA or hK => a heart control.
PLaying 2/1 after
In this particular sequence the 2s bid is interested in "distribution" if responder is not interested in distribution but controls he can bid 3s Now any 4x bid by opener shows a control in the suit bid and denies controls in the suit below that one (4d shows d control and denies c control....).
This is a common treatment that is worth a chat with pd, when slow arrival is on a 2x support bid is interested in distribution (show a fragment or rebid a suit to show 6-4 or 5-5) then 3s is interested in controls.

[pbleighton]

Luis - thanks
1) I didn't post the hands because
a) I didn't remember them , and
I am interested in the general meaning of the bidding sequence.
2) When you say 3S asks for controls, would you include a singleton or void?
3) If the bidding went 1S-2H-3C-3S-4C
What is 3S asking for (since you don't have the slow arrival choice between 2S and 3S), and what is 4C showing?

Peter

[luis]

2) When you say 3S asks for controls, would you include a singleton or void?

Of course, unless in pd's suit. Any A,K singleton or void would qualify as a control. It is preferred not to show a singleton/void in pd's suit.

3) If the bidding went 1S-2H-3C-3S-4C
What is 3S asking for (since you don't have the slow arrival choice between 2S and 3S), and what is 4C showing?

The problem with 3c is that responder will have problems to know if you have 4 or 5 clubs. That's why many 2/1 players play that a 3m rebid shows 5 cards. With 54 shape they would rebid the major and then over a 2n relay bid 3c to show a 4 card minor suit. This has the slight disadvantage that a 1M-2x,2M rebid is frequently bid with only 5 in the major. In both cases a 3M support bid would start a control exchange.sequence. If I were to be asked about preference I'd say that I prefer 1s-2h;3c to show a 5-5 black two suiter.

Luis

[the hog]

Peter, if you are playing a 2/1 responding style the 2S bid by responder does not necessarilly show 3S and some slam interest. In fact it will frequently be a waiting bid with Hx in S.
A better structure is
1S 2D
2H 2S waiting
3S sets S and shows the hand you were talking about
4S Picture bid - all hons in S and D and no controls in other suits - enables opener to make an intelligent decision.

[mishovnbg]

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Peter, if you are playing a 2/1 responding style the 2S bid by responder does not necessarilly show 3S and some slam interest. In fact it will frequently be a waiting bid with Hx in S.
A better structure is
1S 2D
2H 2S waiting
3S sets S and shows the hand you were talking about
4S Picture bid - all hons in S and D and no controls in other suits - enables opener to make an intelligent decision.

Completely agree with The_Hog_of_BBO_Forum .
Misho