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#1 User is offline   msjennifer 

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Posted 2020-July-07, 07:59

Sir,
Board 4,MP Pair
Sitting EAST one holds
1043A732AQJ1094

West deals and opens 1
12?
What is the most descriptive bid.? 3 is by agreement a GF.
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Posted 2020-July-07, 08:00

Sir,
Board 4,MP Pair
Sitting EAST one holds
1043A732AQJ1094

West deals and opens 1
12?
What is the most descriptive bid.? 3 is by agreement a GF.
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#3 User is offline   DavidKok 

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Posted 2020-July-07, 08:14

You seem to have created this post twice.

I would bid 3, showing a limit raise or better with exactly 3 spades. For some people this would be a mixed raise, and I presume those pairs would bid 2NT instead (which for me would show at least four spades).
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Posted 2020-July-07, 08:27


MsJennifer "What is the most descriptive bid.? 3 is by agreement a GF."
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Assuming 2/1, I rank
1. 3 = UCB Usually 3 card raise, at least invitational.
2. 4 = PRE Misdescription.
3. 3 = NAT F/G Might help partner to evaluate his hand.
4. 3 = NAT Underbid.
5. Double = NEG. Misdescription.

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Posted 2020-July-07, 08:54

If possible show the fit and inv.+ values.
The common approach is the cue.

If you regular open sound, given the hard values forcing to game is
not out of the world either, but I would go with
showing the fit, and let partner decide, if he is willing to march on.
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Posted 2020-July-07, 14:56

While many pairs use 3H and 2N to differentiate between raises (in one of my partnerships, 2N is usually gf and cuebid limit, while others use the distinction to differentiate between length of support), I would not assume that to be 'normal': I think most players use 2N as natural here, so the cuebid becomes limit or better, 3+ support.

Here, we have short, weak spades and an 11 count with no prospect of our heart Ace and length producing more than 1 trick. Unless playing an unfashionably sound opening style, I bid 3H. It does not pay to stretch to bid thin games at mps, so while this is definitely a maximum hand for the limit raise, it's what I'd do.

Imps, white, probably the same, but imps red I'd still cuebid (rather than bid diamonds) but I'd raise 3S to game.
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Posted 2020-July-07, 16:03

No idea,

(1) no idea which thread to respond to?
(2) no idea of your basic system? Your NT range etc.

Playing our system, I bid 2NT, natural invitation.
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Posted 2020-July-07, 16:08

View PostDavidKok, on 2020-July-07, 08:14, said:

You seem to have created this post twice.

At least three times, actually.
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Posted 2020-July-08, 07:47

Merged two of the threads and removed the poll. Sorry Helene. Noted, anything else.

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