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#1 User is offline   cencio 

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Posted 2020-March-24, 17:07


There aren't 3 nt.
With a 5 4 in minors and a single heart. one bid on the single for showing a 5 4 in the minor
Has this convention a name ?
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Posted 2020-March-24, 17:23

I've heard the expression "Anti Lemming" used to describe similar treatments
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Posted 2020-March-25, 02:41

I've only heard this bid described as a splinter. Same as a splinter over an opening 1 of a major, but support for both minors.
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Posted 2020-March-25, 03:34

View Postjohnu, on 2020-March-25, 02:41, said:

I've only heard this bid described as a splinter. Same as a splinter over an opening 1 of a major, but support for both minors.

But it's more precise than a splinter, because it promises exactly 3 cards in the other major and minors 5-4. This allows opener to bid the other major sometimes or to bid 4nt asking for the longer minor.

We call it asymmetric minors, with 3/3 being symmetric minors.
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Posted 2020-March-25, 04:21

Does it need a name? East should actually bid 6 as West is absolute minimum for this bid
East can also bid 4 as minorwood to confirm trump situation
4 4
4 5
6
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Posted 2020-March-25, 13:07

View Postpescetom, on 2020-March-25, 03:34, said:

But it's more precise than a splinter, because it promises exactly 3 cards in the other major and minors 5-4. This allows opener to bid the other major sometimes or to bid 4nt asking for the longer minor.

We call it asymmetric minors, with 3c/f being symmetric minors.


I like that name because it seems there is no single person to name it after. Or we could name it after Zia+Rosenberg who list it on their convention card (but allow for a holding of 4 spades also_)
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Posted 2020-March-25, 16:56

I've always called this a wizard splinter. Got it from other people in my area.
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Posted 2020-March-25, 21:42

Some people prefer to bid the 3-card fragment instead of the singleton. I think there might be an advantage to this, as it reduces the likelihood of LHO bing able r double for the lead against 3NT.
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Posted 2020-March-26, 02:53

View PostVampyr, on 2020-March-25, 21:42, said:

Some people prefer to bid the 3-card fragment instead of the singleton. I think there might be an advantage to this, as it reduces the likelihood of LHO bing able r double for the lead against 3NT.

I would have thought it's more risky to allow them to double the fragment. You also wrongside things if declarer wants to play in the fragment suit.
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Posted 2020-March-26, 04:21

View Postpescetom, on 2020-March-26, 02:53, said:

I would have thought it's more risky to allow them to double the fragment. You also wrongside things if declarer wants to play in the fragment suit.

Agreed. Responder has already pinpointed the weakness in the splinter suit so there's less downside in letting them double it.
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Posted 2020-March-26, 08:02

View Postcencio, on 2020-March-24, 17:07, said:


There aren't 3 nt.
With a 5 4 in minors and a single heart. one bid on the single for showing a 5 4 in the minor
Has this convention a name ?


after 1 nt by p it is a fragment bid
shows 3-1-5-4 or 3-0-5-5 distribution and forcing 10+ pts

In the minors showed it 3-3-6-1 or 3-3-7-0 distribution
always 3krt in major
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Posted 2020-March-26, 09:27

View Postpescetom, on 2020-March-26, 02:53, said:

I would have thought it's more risky to allow them to double the fragment. You also wrongside things if declarer wants to play in the fragment suit.


It’s probably different if you play a weak NT, as I do. In this case opener is not stronger than responder, so wrongsiding is not an issue.
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Posted 2020-March-29, 22:31

Alan Truscott frequently referred to the Anti-Lemming bid, in the NY Times,in the ACBL Encyclopedia, and in other print.
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Posted 2020-March-31, 15:26

View PostBillPatch, on 2020-March-29, 22:31, said:

Alan Truscott frequently referred to the Anti-Lemming bid, in the NY Times,in the ACBL Encyclopedia, and in other print.


In the sense that some other way to show the same hand was suicidal?
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Posted 2020-April-23, 05:13

View PostVampyr, on 2020-March-25, 21:42, said:

Some people prefer to bid the 3-card fragment instead of the singleton. I think there might be an advantage to this, as it reduces the likelihood of LHO bing able r double for the lead against 3NT.

The main advantage of bidding the fragment is that it means you always have a slam try available for the major below 4M. This is not the case when 3 shows 13(54). It is also highly likely that the wrong-siding issue is much less important than many claim, as highlighted in this Bridgewinners article. Those that play 2 as Puppet Stayman can first check for a 5-3 major fit and then show the specific 5-4 or 4-5 minor suit shape below 3NT. Most other methods (including this one) can only resolve the minor suit shape at the 4 level.
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Posted 2020-April-23, 13:48

I think in the sense of "why go off the cliff with the rest of the lemmings after 1NT-3NT, losing the first 5 heart tricks on the most likely lead?"
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Posted 2020-April-23, 14:46

View Postmycroft, on 2020-April-23, 13:48, said:

I think in the sense of "why go off the cliff with the rest of the lemmings after 1NT-3NT, losing the first 5 heart tricks on the most likely lead?"


Quite right. Just wanted to be sure :)
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