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Rate this Take-out Double

Poll: Rate this Take-out Double (36 member(s) have cast votes)

How do you feel about west's double (at pairs)?

  1. A reasonable action (12 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  2. A frisky action, but not silly (12 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. A silly action (9 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  4. A psyche (1 votes [2.78%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.78%

  5. Other? (2 votes [5.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

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#21 User is offline   nudnikbp 

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Posted 2020-February-12, 07:20

Pass and possibly balance later.
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Posted 2020-February-12, 07:50

View PostTramticket, on 2020-February-12, 06:36, said:

I'm with you as far as the 3 bid. But is 3 really a choice of game bid? If partner bid 3 I think that I would interpret it as showing slam interest.


We just shape out at this point bidding suits up the line
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Posted 2020-February-12, 10:36

View PostTramticket, on 2020-February-12, 02:18, said:

Thanks, all who have replied so far. It seems that most find the double to not be silly.

My concern over the bid was that I had noted a minor hesitation and body language from East. The full deal was:



The intervention probably stopped us from reaching the doomed 3NT or the more successful 5/5 - I suspect that we would most likely be in 3NT in an uncontested auction. The hesitation / body language was of the minor kind that you get regularly at clubs and I didn't reserve rights / call the director but I was surprised when that eight-count went down as dummy. Our score of +300 was a top, so I didn't take any further action.

How should we have bid to 5m?


You should agree and put on cc that pass of 1-level rdbl promises 4+ in dbled suit.
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Posted 2020-February-12, 12:27

 Cyberyeti, on 2020-February-12, 07:50, said:

We just shape out at this point bidding suits up the line

It would certainly work well here, but at the cost of telling opps your shape. you have a balanced minimum opposite a balanced 18(ish) and look destined for 3NT. I must confess that I would just bid 3NT☹️
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Posted 2020-February-12, 13:24

View PostTramticket, on 2020-February-12, 02:18, said:

Thanks, all who have replied so far. It seems that most find the double to not be silly.

My concern over the bid was that I had noted a minor hesitation and body language from East. The full deal was:



The intervention probably stopped us from reaching the doomed 3NT or the more successful 5/5 - I suspect that we would most likely be in 3NT in an uncontested auction. The hesitation / body language was of the minor kind that you get regularly at clubs and I didn't reserve rights / call the director but I was surprised when that eight-count went down as dummy. Our score of +300 was a top, so I didn't take any further action.

How should we have bid to 5m?


From a legality perspective, a subtle distinction that is important to note is that the relevant question isn't whether the double was reasonable, but whether a pass would have been unreasonable. If passing is a logical alternative, then it can't be eschewed in favor of a bid that was suggested by the UI.
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Posted 2020-February-12, 13:43

View PostLobowolf, on 2020-February-12, 13:24, said:

From a legality perspective, a subtle distinction that is important to note is that the relevant question isn't whether the double was reasonable, but whether a pass would have been unreasonable. If passing is a logical alternative, then it can't be eschewed in favor of a bid that was suggested by the UI.


My comment was misplaced, it seems.

Play, and mark on cc, that pass over 1-level rdbl shows 4+ in dbled suit. (not necessarily any values) . Then you can, indeed must, bid one of the suits requested, no matter what the UI might be.
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Posted 2020-February-12, 13:45

View Postnudnikbp, on 2020-February-12, 07:20, said:

Pass and possibly balance later.



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Posted Yesterday, 06:47

View PostTramticket, on 2020-February-12, 02:18, said:

How should we have bid to 5m?

1 - 1 - (X); XX - (2) - P; 3 - 4; 5 would be one possibility. Or North could bid 3 over 3 in the original auction. Passing 3 was really quite a timid decision. In addition, it is not universal for the XX to show a big hand and having a more informative call available for Opener's second turn would probably make life a lot simpler.
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