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Posted 2020-January-25, 13:19

View Postpran, on 2020-January-25, 04:48, said:

No:

so the result shall be adjusted as if no revoke subsequent to the already established (first) revoke had occurred. (Note that the first revoke is not affected.)
In that case the Q would have fallen under the A

64C2a does not give the specification for an adjusted score, 12C1b gives the specification. 64C2a does define when 12C1b is invoked.
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Posted 2020-January-25, 14:55

View Postpescetom, on 2020-January-24, 17:45, said:

Not so clear to me. For starters he had a chance to take 11 tricks after East played A diamonds on trick 1, but presumably (and understandably) he failed to discard J hearts on trick 2 (OP doesn't say). He still would have taken 10 tricks had he played K clubs on trick 2. But by leaving the trick to the Q, he is now exposed to a small diamond lead and will take only 8 tricks in all. Or am I missing something here?

Concur. Thanx.
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Posted 2020-January-25, 15:38

View Postaxman, on 2020-January-25, 13:19, said:

64C2a does not give the specification for an adjusted score, 12C1b gives the specification. 64C2a does define when 12C1b is invoked.

Not only when but also how to consider the adjustment.
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Posted 2020-January-25, 17:51

View Postaxman, on 2020-January-25, 13:19, said:

64C2a does not give the specification for an adjusted score, 12C1b gives the specification. 64C2a does define when 12C1b is invoked.

Not so. 64C2(a) says that the adjusted score is determined on the basis that the second revoke does not take place, which means that E plays Q under W's A at trick 3. The rest then follows.
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Posted 2020-January-25, 18:48

Revoke law mandates laminar flow of play rather than turbulent.
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Posted 2020-January-26, 08:53

View PostPeterAlan, on 2020-January-25, 17:51, said:

Not so. 64C2(a) says that the adjusted score is determined on the basis that the second revoke does not take place, which means that E plays Q under W's A at trick 3. The rest then follows.


There is no parsing of 64C2a that says If X occurs then adj score = F(X). What it does say is If X then 12C1b.
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Posted 2020-January-26, 09:46

View Postaxman, on 2020-January-26, 08:53, said:

There is no parsing of 64C2a that says If X occurs then adj score = F(X). What it does say is If X then 12C1b.

If you're going to be that pedantic, yes. But, to use your notation, 12C1(b) then says adjusted score = F(x).

Law 12C1(b) says "The Director in awarding an assigned adjusted score should seek to recover as nearly as possible the probable outcome of the board had the infraction not occurred."

Since Law 64C2(a) says "After repeated revokes by the same player in the same suit (see B2 above), the Director adjusts the score if the non-offending side would likely have made more tricks had one or more of the subsequent revokes not occurred" then "the infraction" for which we are adjusting is the subsequent (here second) revoke, and the effect is that 12C1(b) means in this case that we are to assign "the probable outcome of the board had the" second revoke "not occurred". You're drawing a distinction without a difference.
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