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Does this happen at your club? cheating scandals

Poll: Cheating (5 member(s) have cast votes)

Does cheating happen at your club

  1. never (1 votes [20.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  2. sometimes (1 votes [20.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  3. frequently (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. just about every session (3 votes [60.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 60.00%

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#1 User is offline   pilowsky 

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Posted 2019-October-05, 16:40

New Yorker Article on Cheating in World Bridge
change in Tempo
scowling
angry looks
wincing
running the clock
etc etc
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Posted 2019-October-05, 23:37

View Postpilowsky, on 2019-October-05, 16:40, said:

change in Tempo
scowling
angry looks
wincing
running the clock
etc etc

These sorts of things happen at every club. They are far removed from the organised cheating described in the article.
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Posted 2019-October-06, 04:47

Cheating at bridge. Never! We're British :) [Well, not after that alleged incident in 1965...]

But we have our fair share of corrupt politicians, government officials, sportspeople, tradespeople, bankers and financiers, antique dealers, second-hand car dealers, married men and women, benefit claimants, etc, etc, etc. in this so-called civilised country of ours who balance things out cheating-wise somewhat.

Where there's money there's always a 'fiddle' (an act of defrauding, cheating, or falsifying.) as my husband says. And he's about right there.
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Posted 2019-October-06, 06:08

I don't think it is a realistic or constructive poll. At very least you have to define cheating (there is a big difference between the organised collusive cheating described in that excellent old article and the more typical things you list) and then you have to ask yourself with what certainty people can say yes or (especially) no.

As a reference, here is what the WBF considers cheating, in descending order of gravity:
(1) Collusive cheating – pre-arranged methods of arranging
unauthorised information by a partnership:
(2) Obtaining information relating to hands – actively seeking
information regarding hands not yet played:
(3) Inadvertent cheating – obtaining information regarding a hand not
yet played and then acting on that information when the hand is played.
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Posted 2019-October-06, 22:27

I am a little surprised by some of the responses. Obviously, the egregious type of cheating seen at the high end of the game is terrible. What ruins the game for club players (most of us) is the petty cheating. The transfer of information that happens at virtually every session. What is the point of having complicated conventions that we take pride in learning if when your partner fails to notice you can just jump up and down and say REVERSE. It is the equivalent of a club tennis player not saying when the ball is over the line or the golfer tapping the ball in the hole: Of course it is cheating. It sucks the fun out of the game. And don't get me started on bullying and rudeness....
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Posted 2019-October-07, 01:12

 pilowsky, on 2019-October-06, 22:27, said:

I am a little surprised by some of the responses. Obviously, the egregious type of cheating seen at the high end of the game is terrible. What ruins the game for club players (most of us) is the petty cheating. The transfer of information that happens at virtually every session. What is the point of having complicated conventions that we take pride in learning if when your partner fails to notice you can just jump up and down and say REVERSE. It is the equivalent of a club tennis player not saying when the ball is over the line or the golfer tapping the ball in the hole: Of course it is cheating. It sucks the fun out of the game.

If you are surprised, maybe you should read what you wrote and ask yourself why others might be perplexed. If you wanted to discuss petty cheating it might be better to say so in the poll and to avoid linking an old article about serious cheating.

Having said that, of course there is petty cheating in my club, unfortunately. I've never seen one where there wasn't.
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Posted 2019-October-07, 04:15

View Postpescetom, on 2019-October-07, 01:12, said:

Having said that, of course there is petty cheating in my club, unfortunately. I've never seen one where there wasn't.


Yes but that players who do this are so poor you will probably get good results from them anyway. In some cases, naturally, a ruling might be necessary.

The one I hate is when I make a skip bid and RHO passes before I have removed the “stop” card.
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Posted 2019-October-07, 16:44

I play at 3 clubs and the amount of "cheating" is pretty minimal. All the clubs have zero tolerance policies. Most of the players have played at the clubs for some time. If someone engages in any of these behaviors consistently, they will be told about it and action taken if they don't desist.
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Posted 2019-October-07, 18:36

I don't think that people consciously cheat that much. There are no money and very little prestige at risk.

When I have felt pressure to behave unethical myself it has (almost) always been because I was embarrassed of a mistake I made (maybe hoped that a revoke was not discovered?), or because I was playing with an abusive partner and was afraid that I would be harassed if I did not make use of the UI he/she transmitted. Since abusive partners are very common at club bridge, I am probably not the first or last player to have been in that situation.

But obviously it happens very often that people behave unethically because of poor ethical judgment or because of not knowing their obligations. Undisclosed partnership understanding and use of UI are quite common. And a few think that leading declarer astray by tanking with a singleton is a legal tactic.

And some people just can't control their display of emotions so they may sometimes gain by making opps or even the TD uncomfortable.
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Posted 2019-October-08, 01:58

View Posthelene_t, on 2019-October-07, 18:36, said:

When I have felt pressure to behave unethical myself it has (almost) always been because I was embarrassed of a mistake I made (maybe hoped that a revoke was not discovered?), or because I was playing with an abusive partner and was afraid that I would be harassed if I did not make use of the UI he/she transmitted. Since abusive partners are very common at club bridge, I am probably not the first or last player to have been in that situation.


I hope you reported that player to the club management and the local disciplinary body.
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Posted 2019-October-08, 21:08

The problem is many club players don't consider coffeehousing cheating.
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Posted 2019-October-09, 04:05

View Postrmnka447, on 2019-October-07, 16:44, said:

I play at 3 clubs and the amount of "cheating" is pretty minimal. All the clubs have zero tolerance policies. Most of the players have played at the clubs for some time. If someone engages in any of these behaviors consistently, they will be told about it and action taken if they don't desist.


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