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Posted 2019-September-09, 15:24

Nord open 2
You have this hand.
How to bid


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Posted 2019-September-09, 15:33

It depends upon agreements of both sides.
If the diamonds are natural weak and you have no special agreements on how to interfere then I think that you are just barely worth a natural 2NT bid.
Without the tens I would pass.
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Posted 2019-September-09, 22:27

A good rule of thumb when opponents open any pre-empt is to give partner an 8 HCP hand. With more than 8 he/she will raise: without it he/she will not. An overcall of 2NT may become unstuck, but that's what I would say most of the time with this hand, maybe even vulnerable. Vulnerable games need to be bid. You might get more MPs or IMPs points by passing and partner balancing with a double in 4th. "Damned if you do, and damned if you don't" as my husband would say..

As pescetom rightly indicates, it's at the lower end of a 2NT overcall.
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Posted 2019-September-09, 23:36

I would pass for a 2nt overcall I play 16-18 HCP.
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Posted 2019-September-09, 23:53

EDIT Note I have been advised that I made a total fool of myself by thinking I was South not East. However most of the point of my post still applies :)

Ciao Cencio
Per favore, puoi dirmi quale sistema stai giocando. Quindi potrei essere in grado di rispondere

Como no conozco tu sistema, he confiado en el Bridgebum para que me ayude, generalmente juego 2NT débil

Aquí están mis sugerencias / BridgeBum. Ci scusiamo con BridgeBum per eventuali errori nella mia interpretazione e utilizzo

Romano 2D (17-20) - 2NT artificial - mirando slam
Ekren 2D (débil) - Fuerte respuesta de consulta 2NT (posible juego)
Fighting Irish 2D (débil): la consulta es en 3D
Flannery 2D (mayores) - 2NT fuerte investigación artificial y forzada - juego / posible golpe
Multi 2D (fuerte) - 2NT fuerte y artificial, etc. - golpe definitivo - ¿hay alguna pregunta de golpe? No lo sé
Precisión 2D (11-15): forzamiento de juego 2NT (juego, probablemente no slam pero tal vez)
2D débil (4-10) - Fuerza fuerte 2NT - juego posible
Fuerte 2D - 3D Soporte natural, forzando

Creo que mi favorito es el Fighting Irish. Eso encaja con mis viejos prejuicios ingleses. Paz a Irlanda. Beo fada an phoblacht

Es muy posible que con una de esas opciones fuertes ofrezca 6NT y espere que mi socio vaya a 7NT con una mano superior, pero no sé cuáles son nuestros acuerdos. Si tuviéramos algún acuerdo especial de slam, consideraría usarlos. Con una qualsiasi delle forti aperture vorrei essere preventiva in risposta. Speriamo che ci siano opzioni di prova disponibili. 5NT, 6NT o anche un gioco d'azzardo 7NT (per multi 2D)

¿Qué mierda le preguntas, Cencio? ¿Cómo se supone que debemos responder una pregunta estúpida como esa sin conocer los acuerdos? Come puoi chiederlo senza sapere in quale posizione ci troviamo

Tutti i migliori Cencio e grazie per aver perso il mio tempo prezioso

Il Possum

PS Ci scusiamo per eventuali errori nella traduzione. Io uso Google Traduttore. Sperando di non aver causato offesa o guerra mondiale 3.
PPS Che cazzo è una domanda come questa nel forum dei principianti
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Posted 2019-September-10, 01:22

View Postthepossum, on 2019-September-09, 23:53, said:

Ciao Cencio
Per favore, puoi dirmi quale sistema stai giocando. Quindi potrei essere in grado di rispondere

Como no conozco tu sistema, he confiado en el Bridgebum para que me ayude, generalmente juego 2NT débil

Aquí están mis sugerencias / BridgeBum. Ci scusiamo con BridgeBum per eventuali errori nella mia interpretazione e utilizzo

Romano 2D (17-20) - 2NT artificial - mirando slam
Ekren 2D (débil) - Fuerte respuesta de consulta 2NT (posible juego)
Fighting Irish 2D (débil): la consulta es en 3D
Flannery 2D (mayores) - 2NT fuerte investigación artificial y forzada - juego / posible golpe
Multi 2D (fuerte) - 2NT fuerte y artificial, etc. - golpe definitivo - ¿hay alguna pregunta de golpe? No lo sé
Precisión 2D (11-15): forzamiento de juego 2NT (juego, probablemente no slam pero tal vez)
2D débil (4-10) - Fuerza fuerte 2NT - juego posible
Fuerte 2D - 3D Soporte natural, forzando

Creo que mi favorito es el Fighting Irish. Eso encaja con mis viejos prejuicios ingleses. Paz a Irlanda. Beo fada an phoblacht

Es muy posible que con una de esas opciones fuertes ofrezca 6NT y espere que mi socio vaya a 7NT con una mano superior, pero no sé cuáles son nuestros acuerdos. Si tuviéramos algún acuerdo especial de slam, consideraría usarlos. Con una qualsiasi delle forti aperture vorrei essere preventiva in risposta. Speriamo che ci siano opzioni di prova disponibili. 5NT, 6NT o anche un gioco d'azzardo 7NT (per multi 2D)

¿Qué mierda le preguntas, Cencio? ¿Cómo se supone que debemos responder una pregunta estúpida como esa sin conocer los acuerdos? Come puoi chiederlo senza sapere in quale posizione ci troviamo

Tutti i migliori Cencio e grazie per aver perso il mio tempo prezioso

Il Possum

PS Ci scusiamo per eventuali errori nella traduzione. Io uso Google Traduttore. Sperando di non aver causato offesa o guerra mondiale 3.
PPS Che cazzo è una domanda come questa nel forum dei principianti


If you're going to swear at someone in a foreign language, it's useful to at least get the auction correct.
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Posted 2019-September-10, 01:51


Cencio asks ' You have this hand. How to bid?'
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Assuming that 2 is weak, I rank
1. Pass. If partner risks a balancing double, with a shortage, you could pass.
2. 2N = NAT. A close decision.

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Posted 2019-September-10, 05:28

View Postsfi, on 2019-September-10, 01:22, said:

If you're going to swear at someone in a foreign language, it's useful to at least get the auction correct.


So I misread that I was South and not East and made a total fool of myself. So what :) I was just getting excited about grand and having fun. I think imagining myself as responder to a very strong opening 2D is more exciting than having to overcall :)
What a waste of time. However my rant about the meaning of the 2D still applies :)

I will try and alter my post to deal with each of those possible 2D openings - anyone care to clarify which 2D it is

So all those discussing 2NT overcalls assumed a weak 2D, sorry :(

I don't know what my overall would be at this stage. If its weak I guess 2NT otherwise pass but what would I know. I still dont know which seat I am :( I'm assuming my partner has not yet had a chance to bid

Romano 2D (17-20) - double or pass or 2NT depending on meaning of 2NT
Ekren 2D (weak) - 2NT overcall
Fighting Irish 2D (weak): 2NT overcall
Flannery 2D (majors) - double, pass or 2NT I think
Multi 2D (strong) - either pass or double or something else, not sure
Precisión 2D (11-15): no idea but either pass, double or 2NT depending on how you feel
2D Weak(4-10) - 2NT or something else
Strong 2D - pass I think :)

Note I have no idea how to defend most of those openings :)


PS I wasnt swearing at anyone. I was trying to be polite in what I assumed was Cencio's language and just showing a bit of attitude. I read there is a restarant in Rome where stupid tourists pay a lot of money to be abused by the staff. I thought maye Italians could also take a bit of attitude in response. I was also, unlike most on this site, not assuming that everyone around the world plays the same American system - and did some research on the history of Italian Bridge and tried to address some of the systems they may play, along with others :)


Mi scuso completamente con Cencio per aver cercato di essere rispettoso della storia, dei sistemi e dei ponti di Italian Bridge e di aver parlato nella sua lingua
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Posted 2019-September-10, 06:25

From a reply in an other post wrote by thepossum:
"As someone returning to the game after 30+ years I think maybe part of the issue is the loss (to most) of rubber bridge which is, from my point of view, a far superior way of learning the game compared to jumping straight into duplicate.

I would also add the trend towards unnecessarily complex systems/coventions, the tendency to tell people that they need classes when they dont even learn the basics, philosophy and ethics. It seems to me that a huge self-interested industry has grown up, mystifying the game, intimidating newcomers, and over-complicating the game. There is an obsession with the technicalities of conventions and the mechanics of the game when greater emphasis could be placed on the ultimate goals (eg part scores, games, and slams; and defence) and encouraging hand evaluation, creativity, risk taking and fun. Many have also lost sight of the social aspect Very sad really.

Unfortunately sites such as BridgeBase contribute somewhat to the intimidation when everyone is expected to play an unnecessarily complex convention card - albeit with tooltips (FunBridge at least acknolwedges three different levels, and the existence of alternative systems). Also those who ask questions on novice/beginner forums are intimidated by more advanced players who seem to have a very strange view of what beginner, noveice, intermediae, advanced and expert (even world class) mean. I suspect most dont have a clue"
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Posted 2019-September-10, 19:07

vulnerability matters a lot
if we are not vul and they are, them going down in hundreds (lets face it, 2d will likely fail if we have 3 trump tricks) - so 2D passed out fine, and if partner reopens with double - yippee..

At love all bid 2N ez... both vul, then 2N

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Nord open 2
You have this hand.
How to bid



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Posted 2019-September-10, 19:50

Personally, I think that this is slightly too weak for 2NT overcall, and I can not abide a double given how bad my Clubs are.

I am going to pass.
I will pass if partner makes a balancing double.
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Posted 2019-September-11, 02:49

View Posthrothgar, on 2019-September-10, 19:50, said:

Personally, I think that this is slightly too weak for 2NT overcall, and I can not abide a double given how bad my Clubs are.

I am going to pass.
I will pass if partner makes a balancing double.


This is somewhat agreements dependent, if partner is 4414, how weak will they X for example ?

Clearly form of scoring and vul matters, at teams I can live with +2-300 against +420 but not with +100-150 against 620.

Most of the time we are close to a game and can place most of the missing honours.

I think I would bid a 15-17 2N but it's really close, my J is worth more than a point with the opener.
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Posted 2019-September-11, 05:53

The hand



And then 3 pass
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Posted 2019-September-11, 12:49

View Postcencio, on 2019-September-09, 15:24, said:

Nord open 2
You have this hand.
How to bid




When an opponent makes a weak 2 bid, a 2NT overcall shows 15-18. If you are vulnerable and the 2-bid was in second seat (partner is a passed hand but not LHO), you might elect not to make this call if you have a really terrible 15-count (you might elect to X instead of bidding 2NT if you have halfway decent shape and only one hard diamond stop; at IMPs, you might also elect a conservative pass). Otherwise, just go ahead and bid normally.

This hand is a perfectly fine 15, with the Jd pulling lots of weight (the KQ are probably with RHO). 2NT would be the choice of 99% of expert players.

Cheers,
Mike
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Posted 2019-September-11, 18:14

There's just enough substance here to bid 2NT.

Good luck and enjoy this wonderful game :)
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