[tkass]

i play 15-17 nt

and i want to know what good player 's meaning for

1nt- 5he and 1nt-5sp

1 use 4nt as quantitiv and no minor 4-4 and
4sp as quantitativ and the minor 4-4

any comment on theses high level answer or new suggestions will be appreciate.

[Free]

Hi, welcome to the forum!

Actually I've never heard of such bids, since they're waaaaay too high to investigate anything. I guess it should be just inviting for slam according to tophonours in the bid Major. I don't immediatly see any other reasonable meaning...

[beatrix45]

Free has to be right. Just raise to six with A or K, and to seven with AK.

[Fluffy]

Both minors and void in the suit bid maybe.

[joker_gib]

I have no clear definition for such bids but it is clear that, as Free said, they have to be very accurate because you don't have any room to investigate.

Alain

[pigpenz]

only thing i could assume is
pass=no honors
6=one honor
7=2 honors

[the hog]

Exclusion Blackwood could also be an agreement.

[Flame]

Imo its better not to have an agrement on such things, the chances to benefit from it is lower then the price it will have on your memory, true it seems like one simple easy to remember thing, but one thing and another thing and another leads to too many non important things. Also my my expirence shows that you wont be able to not think of it much, those less important things will be the first you will remember when you think about your system.

[mcphee]

Assuming texas it now is very sensible to use 4S to show a balanced slam invite with 4-4 minors, a hand type that in effect is bidding 4NT quantitive but exactly 4-4 minors.

[kenberg]

1NT-4S showing invitational values and 4-4 in the minors sounds like a useful bid that would actually come up. It is difficult to imaging a use for 1NT-5H. Presumably 1NT-4D-4H-4NT is RKC, usable without a void, and one of the two auctions, either 1NT-4D-4H-5D or else 1NT-2D-2H-5D is exclusion keycard for when you do have a void. These auctions would cover the case when responder want to play 5, 6 or 7 based on partner's ace or king of hearts, and they would cover other cases as well. I agree with previous comments that this honor ask would seem to be the default meaning, but it just doesn't seem needed, given rkc and exclusion rkc.

There have been other suggestions, but I am skeptical about them as well.

So anyway, I like the 1NT-4S so thank you for presenting it, but I am sorry to say I have no serious idea for what 1NT-5H ought to be. Maybe it could be AKxxxx and appropriate other strength, along with a void somewhere and a missing ace somewhere else. Opener could pass with xx and ask for the suit of the missing ace holding Qx(x), planning to bid 6 or 7 depending on the answer. This would mean sometimes playing in 5 when 6 is cold because opener has the xx, the needed ace and the hearts split, but it would work sometimes. Hardly a glowing endorsement.

Ken

[Free]

Imo, 5♥ might also be used to prebalance opps out of their 4♠ contract, but that still leaves the 5♠ bid unsolved Voidwood might be usefull if you have grand slam ambitions...

[han]

to play

[helene_t]

As a part of your notrump structure, 5♥ should be undefined of course. Only if you play a 0-5 notrump range or similar it would make sense to play 5♥ as natural. Can't figure out a hand that would bid slam only on the basis of opener's trump support, not carring about aces. (Of course, if you play 100% natural, no transfers, RKC and other gadgets, 5♥ could mean "bid 6 with so-and-so many keycards").

But if you play Xclusion Blackwood it may follow that it also applies in this situation (for example if the agreement is that 5♥ is XB whenever it can't possibly mean anything else).