[Chamaco]

Matchpoints, nobody vulnerable

You are North, holding:
AKQ62-97-K86-JT5

South (pard) deals and opens 1H, and bidding uncontested, goes:

1H-1S
2D-3C
3D-?

What do you bid here ?


The response should comply with the following agreements with partner:
we play 5 card majors with 2D opening = Multi, and 2H and 2S are natural, strong semiforcing openings (1R force) including about 18-21 single suiters or 2 suiters.

That means that pard has shown a weak 55 (a good 55 would have jumped to 3D, and a really strong 55 would have opened a semiforcing 2H).

[Gerben42]

More 4th suit problems it seems. Tough things they are.
3♠ to emphasize my strong holding there.

[flytoox]

I would raise to 4D. Pd can still show doubleton spade support by bidding 4S. I think pd's 3D denied club stopper, otherwise he would forsee my problem and avoid it by bidding 3N.

[Walddk]

3♠. Let's see if partner is 2-5-5-1 or 1-5-5-2. He may even choose to raise to 4♠ with the latter holding. If he rebids 4♦, I will raise and hope he has

x
AKxxx
AQxxx
xx

Even with AJ10xx 5♦ has play. Same applies if he has AQxxx in hearts. I don't want to mastermind and pass 4♦ although that could be the last winning spot.

Roland

[joker_gib]

3♠ : shows where values are and leave all options open !


Alain

[Free]

3♠, most flexible bid to ask more information about opener's hand.

[whereagles]

Both 3S and 5D seem ok to me.

I might try 3S since I don't mind playing 4S opposite xx support and singleton club.

[P_Marlowe]

4D.

Starting a slam investigation, he
may have a singleton / void in
Clubs afterall.

It's MP, we know that 3NT does not
have chances, and we have a fit in
a minor, lets investigate the 6 level.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: Because several guys, did suggest
3S, you forgot to tell us, what a direct
2S bid and what a 3S bid instead of the
3C bid would have been?

[Chamaco]

P_Marlowe, on May 13 2005, 11:39 AM, said:

PS: Because several guys, did suggest
3S, you forgot to tell us, what a direct
2S bid and what a 3S bid instead of the
3C bid would have been?

After 1H:1S:2D:?

3S = invitational, NF
2S = weak NF, less than invitational

The forcing single suiter woul be 1H:2S.

[P_Marlowe]

Chamaco, on May 13 2005, 06:45 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on May 13 2005, 11:39 AM, said:

PS: Because several guys, did suggest
3S, you forgot to tell us, what a direct
2S bid and what a 3S bid instead of the
3C bid would have been?

After 1H:1S:2D:?

3S = invitational, NF
2S = weak NF, less than invitational

The forcing single suiter woul be 1H:2S.

Hi

from this follows, that 3S in the seq.

1H-1S
2D-3C
3D-3S

showes either
1) a strong 6 card suit, reponder holding
a 6-4 shape
or
2) a ragged 6 card suit

I will go with 1), because we are talking about spades,
and the seq.

1H - 2S

is the star among the seq. involving strong jumb shifts,
i.e. it should be used, when there is a slight excuse,
and since I voted for 4D ...

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Fluffy]

4♦, my partners would raise my 3♠ to 4 with singleton.

[pclayton]

Wouldn't it have been nice if 3♦ was forcing over 2♦?

[mike777]

Fluffy, on May 13 2005, 08:37 AM, said:

4♦, my partners would raise my 3♠ to 4 with singleton.

3H


Exactly

Willing to play in 5-1 fit? Perhaps that is winning bid! MP is a goofy game.

P has no great reason to rebid 4D with AQxxx and they have denied strong or "good" 2 suiter.

[HeartA]

Fluffy, on May 13 2005, 08:37 AM, said:

4♦, my partners would raise my 3♠ to 4 with singleton.

4♦ seems obvious to me. If partner's hand were 2-5-5-1, he could bid 4♠ over 4♦.

[mike777]

HeartA, on May 13 2005, 03:28 PM, said:

Fluffy, on May 13 2005, 08:37 AM, said:

4♦, my partners would raise my 3♠ to 4 with singleton.

4♦ seems obvious to me. If partner's hand were 2-5-5-1, he could bid 4♠ over 4♦.

Why is 4s in a 5-2 ok but 5d so much better than 4h in 5-2 at MP? P may have decent hearts or chose to bid 3s over 3h or rebid 4d.

[flytoox]

mike777, on May 13 2005, 08:38 PM, said:

HeartA, on May 13 2005, 03:28 PM, said:

Fluffy, on May 13 2005, 08:37 AM, said:

4♦, my partners would raise my 3♠ to 4 with singleton.

4♦ seems obvious to me. If partner's hand were 2-5-5-1, he could bid 4♠ over 4♦.

Why is 4s in a 5-2 ok but 5d so much better than 4h in 5-2 at MP? P may have decent hearts or chose to bid 3s over 3h or rebid 4d.

Playing in 4S, you can ruff club in the short trump hand. But playing in 4H, you have to ruff in the long trump hand. That might create a problem.

In the sequence, 1S is marked 5 spades. So I dont think bidding rebidding 3S is a good choice. As fluffy said, pd should raise to 4S with singleton SJ. But you probably dont want it.

[mike777]

That is why we give partner a choice over 3h. P can rebid 4h or 3s or 4d. Sure hand may play better in 4s or 5d than 4h but lets get partner involved. They sometimes make correct decision on imperfect information. Rebidding 3s or 4d takes 4h option in 5-2 out of picture.

[luke warm]

i'm bidding 4♦... i like to play it as rkc, but not everyone does

[pigpenz]

i would bid 3♠
my regular partner and I play that in an uncontested auction that bypasses 3NT that 4♦ is RKCB for ♦'s, if the suit was ♣'s then 4♣ would be RKCB for ♣'s

[Chamaco]

flytoox, on May 13 2005, 09:13 PM, said:

In the sequence, 1S is marked 5 spades. So I dont think bidding rebidding 3S is a good choice.

No, 3C = 4th suit forcing does not necessarily promise 5+ spades.
Sure, many times it will, but it might come as well from a GF balanced hand with only 4 spades, without clubs stopper.