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#1 User is offline   lamford 

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Posted 2019-March-07, 06:27

7NT by South. 4 lead

I guess the heading is slightly inaccurate, as the chance of making this grand after the lead is 1 in 10,400,600. You have a bidding misunderstanding, but the play's the thing as they say. How do you play, single-dummy, on the diamond lead. Keen students of the feature "an unusual squeeze" will find this duck soup.


Corrected (I hope) after cyberyetis’comments.
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Posted 2019-March-07, 07:07

This seems too easy, play E for KQJ(x), KQJ(x), J10xx(x), Kx (or stiff K and an extra card elsewhere), bidding may tell you if you have to go elsewhere.

win the diamond, hook the club, go back to dummy with the third club and rumble the rest.

You are down to:



What can E keep he has to hold 3 diamonds and 2 in each major or the extended menaces mean you have 6 tricks immediately
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Posted 2019-March-07, 07:30

View PostCyberyeti, on 2019-March-07, 07:07, said:

This seems too easy, play E for KQJ(x), KQJ(x), J10xx(x), Kx (or stiff K and an extra card elsewhere), bidding may tell you if you have to go elsewhere.

win the diamond, hook the club, go back to dummy with the third club and rumble the rest.

You are down to:



What can E keep he has to hold 3 diamonds and 2 in each major or the extended menaces mean you have 6 tricks immediately

Yes. I need to change the original.
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Posted 2019-March-07, 07:50

View PostVampyr, on 2019-March-07, 07:30, said:

Yes. I need to change the original.


Not sure if that completely fixes it, KQJ10, KQJ10, J1098, K still gets done more or less the same way, but is at least MUCH more unlikely.
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Posted 2019-March-07, 09:01


A similar deal, something like this,
constructed for an article on 3-trick squeezes,
(published in Bridge-Magazine, about half a century ago).

6N by South on a lead.

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Posted 2019-March-07, 09:01

View PostCyberyeti, on 2019-March-07, 07:50, said:

Not sure if that completely fixes it, KQJ10, KQJ10, J1098, K still gets done more or less the same way, but is at least MUCH more unlikely.


indeed that I think is the only layout and only for East. So you must cash the AC and play the hexagon squeeze you gave.
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Posted 2019-March-07, 09:03

View Postlamford, on 2019-March-07, 06:27, said:

I guess the heading is slightly inaccurate, as the chance of making this grand after the lead is 1 in 10,400,600.

Pedantry alert: after any specified opening lead the number of possible distributions of the remaining 25 cards is 5,200,300.
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Posted 2019-March-07, 09:13

View Postnige1, on 2019-March-07, 09:01, said:


A similar deal, something like this,
modified to make the layout unique,
constructed for an article on 3-trick squeezes,
(published in Bridge-Magazine, about 50 years ago)

6N by South on a lead.



Cash AKQ, if E discards 2 cards in any red suit, you have 5 in that suit one in the other via overtaking and 3 in each black suit, so he discards one in each suit, now you just play 4 rounds of clubs, win whichever red suit is returned, cash the remaining clubs, overtake the other red K and cash dummy's ace for the final trick.
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Posted 2019-March-07, 09:54


Another deal, something like this, published in the Bridge World. about a decade ago.
I claim this to be a 4-trick squeeze :) but Jeff Rubens disagrees :(
6N by South on a lead.
In particular, how do you play if East abandons a red suit?

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Posted 2019-March-07, 10:16

View PostCyberyeti, on 2019-March-07, 09:13, said:

Cash AKQ, if E discards 2 cards in any red suit, you have 5 in that suit one in the other via overtaking and 3 in each black suit, so he discards one in each suit, now you just play 4 rounds of clubs, win whichever red suit is returned, cash the remaining clubs, overtake the other red K and cash dummy's ace for the final trick.

That's right Cyberyeti.
I'm afraid my layout isn't unique,
so I shouldn't hijack Lamford's thread. Sorry.
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Posted 2019-March-07, 10:29

View Postlamford, on 2019-March-07, 09:01, said:

indeed that I think is the only layout and only for East. So you must cash the AC and play the hexagon squeeze you gave.

View PostPeterAlan, on 2019-March-07, 09:03, said:

Pedantry alert: after any specified opening lead the number of possible distributions of the remaining 25 cards is 5,200,300.
More pedantry: it's an automatic triple squeeze for 2 tricks.
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Posted 2019-March-07, 11:07

And in the thread Unusual Squeeze it is an automatic triple squeeze for 4 tricks. Also there is a restricted choice element regarding the opening lead. Before it the chance of success was 1 in 10,040,600. After it is either the same or zero depending on whether the card led allows success.
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Posted 2019-March-07, 11:07

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Posted 2019-March-07, 11:16

View Postlamford, on 2019-March-07, 11:07, said:

And in the thread Unusual Squeeze it is an automatic triple squeeze for 4 tricks. Also there is a restricted choice element regarding the opening lead. Before it the chance of success was 1 in 10,040,600. After it is either the same or zero depending on whether the card led allows success.


Not quite, say west leads a top of nothing 8, now any J109x will do with E so the odds can change.
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