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#1 User is offline   Finanzier 

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Posted 2019-February-03, 10:53

The next hand ended in disaster.




Obviously something was wrong. I as South thought North would show at least 5-5 in spades and a minor and expected a 6 bid not 7 .

My partner claimed that 4 would only show a chicane in heart, and so would be bid internationally.

Apart from the fact that my 6 heart bid was showish, which of us two was wrong? Or were we both erroneous?
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Posted 2019-February-03, 11:13

I would expect 5-5 spades and a minor. But I don't think there's any real standard meaning, so it's not a good bid to make without agreement.
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Posted 2019-February-03, 14:27

If you believe partner is 5-5 and a minor, how about bidding 5 NT -- two places to play. If partner bids 6 , you can try 6 . But if partner bids 6 you pass choosing to play in your probable 10+ card fit rather than your 9+ card fit.

However, I have no sympathy for your partner's bidding. 4 is likely to push your side to the 5 level unless you have a fit. If you bid 4 , there's no guarantee you have any more than 4 of them in a hand of unknown strength.

IMO, the right bid with partner's hand is 4 .
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Posted 2019-February-03, 14:57

Hi,

in case you play forcing Nonleaping Michaels, which is the standard way of playing,
it makes sense to play 4H as some kind of big T/O.
But you should have agreed / discussed this before hand.
For us, 4H would be a Michaels Cue, and we play Nonleaping Michaels, but nonforcing.

I dont see, what is wrong with 4C or 5C with the North hand.
The hand is nice, but those bids show already nice hands.
I think 5NT is a better bid than 6H, even if you assume 4H showes spade + ?, the plan
being to bid 6H over 6m, in case you want to try for the grand.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2019-February-03, 16:45

4 should certainly not show a void in hearts. You need to find a fit so you show which suit you have length in.

Besides, the North hand is too weak to force to 5-level.

4 is normal. If 4 is leaping Michaels, presumably 4 would show both minors, but a take-out double is better.

I think your 6 bid is reasonable but as rnmka447 says, 5NT is probably the expert bid.
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Posted 2019-February-03, 21:45

N is on Neptune.
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Posted 2019-February-04, 09:22

Thank you for your comments.
I agree, that 5NT is better to investigate grand. If I bid 6 I can equal well close with 6, but the bidding picture 3-4-5-6 was too tempting :rolleyes:
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