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Posted 2019-January-22, 08:26


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Posted 2019-January-22, 08:41

They were doing remarkably well without Flannery until that dumb 3 bid.

[Edit: typo corrected]
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Posted 2019-January-22, 09:37

Don't you mean "dumb 3" bid??
IMO the auction should go 1h-1nt-2c-2s-2nt-all pass.
And west really has no reason to bid after 3c, for that matter.

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Posted 2019-January-22, 11:43

View PostStephen Tu, on 2019-January-22, 09:37, said:

Don't you mean "dumb 3" bid??

I did indeed, corrected thanks.
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Posted 2019-January-22, 11:47

This... isn't a flannery commercial. It's a commercial for learning how to bid in the system you're playing. I challenge anyone to tell me what 3C could possibly indicate about the hand.


Alternatively, it's an advert for KI, which gets you playing in 2NT without risking being raised in clubs. Alternatively, it's an advert for literally any sensible system except 2/1, though that's a separate matter.
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Posted 2019-January-22, 12:18

View PostDozyDom, on 2019-January-22, 11:47, said:

Alternatively, it's an advert for KI, which gets you playing in 2NT without risking being raised in clubs. Alternatively, it's an advert for literally any sensible system except 2/1, though that's a separate matter.


Since 2/1 played rationally gets you to the exact same 2nt contract as other systems probably get you to, I don't see how this particular hand is an advert against 2/1. It's just an advert for having sensible continuations after the impossible 2S.
If anything, it's an advertisement for semi-forcing NT, though of course that treatment will sometimes lose on different combination of hands.

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Posted 2019-January-22, 12:32

Tbh I don't really get why East doesn't pass 1N
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Posted 2019-January-22, 12:39

View Postbroze, on 2019-January-22, 12:32, said:

Tbh I don't really get why East doesn't pass 1N

1NT is forcing. West could have a number of hands that would make 1NT look silly. Basically any very weak hand with a 6-card suit.
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Posted 2019-January-22, 12:46

View PostStephen Tu, on 2019-January-22, 12:18, said:

Since 2/1 played rationally gets you to the exact same 2nt contract as other systems probably get you to, I don't see how this particular hand is an advert against 2/1. It's just an advert for having sensible continuations after the impossible 2S.
If anything, it's an advertisement for semi-forcing NT, though of course that treatment will sometimes lose on different combination of hands.

I was indeed thinking of systems that let you stay and relax in 1NT, yeah.
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Posted 2019-January-22, 12:54

View Posthelene_t, on 2019-January-22, 12:39, said:

1NT is forcing. West could have a number of hands that would make 1NT look silly. Basically any very weak hand with a 6-card suit.


I know what a forcing 1NT is. :) I think rebidding 2 on a 2 card suit will lead to many more silly contracts that passing 1N.
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Posted 2019-January-22, 13:08

Advert for Modified Gazzilli, too :)
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Posted 2019-January-22, 18:39

View PostStephen Tu, on 2019-January-22, 12:18, said:

Since 2/1 played rationally gets you to the exact same 2nt contract as other systems probably get you to, I don't see how this particular hand is an advert against 2/1. It's just an advert for having sensible continuations after the impossible 2S.
If anything, it's an advertisement for semi-forcing NT, though of course that treatment will sometimes lose on different combination of hands.

All that needs to be done is to rebid 2NT rather than that silly 3 and then it is passed out.
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Posted 2019-January-22, 18:40

View Postbroze, on 2019-January-22, 12:54, said:

I know what a forcing 1NT is. :) I think rebidding 2 on a 2 card suit will lead to many more silly contracts that passing 1N.

The other problem is rebidding with a normal 12 count when game seems quite unlikely.
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