[Laird]

Hello all

help please ..

What should be the ruling where opponent counts out her cards face up and discovers she has 14 cards ....

Thanks

John

[Fluffy]

40% for she for misscounting, 60% for you. I am not good at rules but that's what I beleive.

[kgr]

You try to restore the hand.
Is it known who had 12 cards? If not then you give the 14th card the the hand with 12 cards without the person with the original 14 cards does see it.
Suppose that the 14th card was a small card. If it does not matter during the bidding or play then the result counts.
If that is not possible then 40/60.

[LH2650]

If the Director concludes that the information gained by seeing the extra card is inconsequential, AND all four players agree, the hand may be corrected and played. Otherwise, Average Plus is assigned to the non-offending side, and Average Minus is assigned to the offending side. That is generally the 60/40 previously mentioned.

If this is in the middle of a duplicate game, the Director might want to inquire how the hands got that way, and warn or penalize the previous players of the hand.

[Echognome]

Am I missing something here in the interpretation?

"The opponent counts out her cards face up..."

Is she dummy? Is this before any of the bidding? If she counted her cards face down at the beginning of the hand, it is easily rectified. If she counts them face up, then she's exposing all her cards...

[pigpenz]

generall you go the last table that played the hand and restore the hand, in this case if she actuallly did this face up with the cards I would assume it would be an avg-/avg+ situation.....if no cards were exposed you restore the hand and usually can play it.

If the error was created at the other table then there maybe procedural penalties against the pair that created the problem.

If it is the first round you just redeal.

Obviously this didnt happen here

[Laird]

Hello All ..thanks for helful replies....


an older lady had started to count her cards absentmindedly face up and before she was stopped several cards were exposed.... it was then the 14 cards were also discovered... :-))



John

[LH2650]

I didn't realize that when you stated "face up" you meant that the entire table could see them! You are saved by that 14th card. Have someone refuse to play the hand. Otherwise, the exposed cards are put face up on the table, her partner must pass at his first opportunity, and the poor director will probably be stuck at the table for the entire hand.