Bizare overbid. Or did my pass somehow show values?
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Now suddenly worth a game force?
#1
Posted 2018-October-14, 00:38
The world would be such a happy place, if only everyone played Acol :) --- TramTicket
#2
Posted 2018-October-14, 04:34
I wasn't aware forcing 3!S bids were forcing to game when you have a 9-card minor fit. Your pass doesn't show extra values, but 3NT certainly does.
N has a singleton and 5-card support for your suit; why should it be reluctant to get to the 4-level?
N has a singleton and 5-card support for your suit; why should it be reluctant to get to the 4-level?
#3
Posted 2018-October-14, 16:00
DozyDom, on 2018-October-14, 04:34, said:
I wasn't aware forcing 3!S bids were forcing to game when you have a 9-card minor fit. Your pass doesn't show extra values, but 3NT certainly does.
N has a singleton and 5-card support for your suit; why should it be reluctant to get to the 4-level?
N has a singleton and 5-card support for your suit; why should it be reluctant to get to the 4-level?
Thanks, that makes sense.
South could have KQxx-Axxx-xxx-KJ, although I suppose it is unlikely given opps' bidding. So I would think 3♦ would be plenty. But presumably the sims show that 5♦ could make if South has a suitable hand.
The world would be such a happy place, if only everyone played Acol :) --- TramTicket
#4
Posted 2018-October-14, 20:40
Give Helene a break.
Helen passed with 14 hcp. Helene could easily have a 11 hcp hand in 3rd seat even with 3♦ occasionally.
The four level isn't going to be safe opposite 12 hcp either. <edit> and pass already says there is no realistic chance for game.</edit>
The actual hand 14 hcp has 4 top losers in 4♦.
After a pass by Helene forcing to 4-level the question is why?
Opposite a pass 5♦ seems unlikely.
3NT will take a perfect hand. opposite 8 hcp.
After pass by Helene 3♦ is plenty.
Helen passed with 14 hcp. Helene could easily have a 11 hcp hand in 3rd seat even with 3♦ occasionally.
The four level isn't going to be safe opposite 12 hcp either. <edit> and pass already says there is no realistic chance for game.</edit>
The actual hand 14 hcp has 4 top losers in 4♦.
After a pass by Helene forcing to 4-level the question is why?
Opposite a pass 5♦ seems unlikely.
3NT will take a perfect hand. opposite 8 hcp.
After pass by Helene 3♦ is plenty.
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#5
Posted 2018-October-14, 20:49
Yeah, GIB's definitely at fault on this one. In many occasions, it doesn't put a limit on passes - sometimes this is correct (eg you can still have a strong hand when passing after an overcall), but here it's not (the description for pass shows up to 21 points).
Additionally, the descriptions for 3♦ and 3♠ both show 5+ diamonds and exactly 10 total points. This isn't a simulation bid; it just doesn't know how to choose from the bids it has. There is no reason to force to 4♦ when you can simply bid 3♦.
Additionally, the descriptions for 3♦ and 3♠ both show 5+ diamonds and exactly 10 total points. This isn't a simulation bid; it just doesn't know how to choose from the bids it has. There is no reason to force to 4♦ when you can simply bid 3♦.
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