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#1 User is offline   steve2005 

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Posted 2018-October-04, 16:09

In Meck-Lite Precision 1-1 is 8-11 most hands.
Would using 1 as 8-10 be feasible? With the 12+ bids becoming 11+ bids.
Also, has anyone seen a pair playing this or in a write-up?
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Posted 2018-October-04, 20:15

Steve, I played a version of RM Precision in 2016 with a friend of Eric Rodwell. We did NOT play the 1 relay with 8-11 hcp hands. When Eric was in the Bridge Winners Well, I asked him about that design and he said it has some problems (one of which is frequency). If you were going to separate out positive responses into two shells, 12+ would do better in 1. However, the memory work is greater when using either approach.

Most 11 hcp hands are not good for slam investigation unless A + A + K (5 controls). Also, 12 + 16 = slam with a FIT AND a working singleton in either hand.

2 response was 8-13 balanced,
2 was any 4441,
2 was any 5-5,
2NT was 14+ balanced,
3Y was a transfer to 7-cd suit, 5-7 hcp.

Eventually we swapped 2 and 2 to gain an extra step for the 5-5 hands.
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Posted 2018-October-04, 23:08

View Poststeve2005, on 2018-October-04, 16:09, said:

In Meck-Lite Precision 1-1 is 8-11 most hands.
Would using 1 as 8-10 be feasible? With the 12+ bids becoming 11+ bids.
Also, has anyone seen a pair playing this or in a write-up?


Goggle BridgeWithDan and the top entry is Mecklite. It is an e book.


Googgle Meckwell lite bridge system doc . GitHub

There is an outline there.
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Posted 2018-October-04, 23:21

View Poststeve2005, on 2018-October-04, 16:09, said:

In Meck-Lite Precision 1-1 is 8-11 most hands.
Would using 1 as 8-10 be feasible? With the 12+ bids becoming 11+ bids.
Also, has anyone seen a pair playing this or in a write-up?


Per the Grue-Moss card (http://www.ecatsbrid...2/Grue-Moss.pdf), 1H=Most 12+; all 8-11s are shown directly.
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Posted 2018-October-05, 08:23

Playing the 1 answer as artificial super-positive (12+ and not too bad) and others as 8-11(12) is kind off common in Sweden I'd say. I've never seen anyone here play the Meckwell Lite way though (which just shows that system trends are different in different parts of the world). If using relays the 1 positive is pretty interesting, since it allows for responder being the captain. Let's say for instance:

1C---
1D = 0-7
1H = 12+
1S = 8-11 NT or 5+ hearts.
1NT = 8-11 5+ spades.
2C = 8-11 6+ diamonds or diamonds + major.
2D = 8-11 both minors.
2H = 8-11 6+ clubs.
2S = 8-11 5+ clubs and 4H.
2NT = Three-suiter with clubs.
3C+ = 8-11 5+ clubs and 4S.

Now if the bidding starts 1C-1H, you can mirror opener's rebids:

1C-1H;
1S = NT or hearts.
1NT = Spades.
2C = Diamonds.
2D = Minors.
2H = 6+ clubs.
2S = Clubs and hearts.
2NT = Three-suited clubs.
3C+ = Clubs and spades.
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Posted 2018-October-05, 09:58

View Postfoobar, on 2018-October-04, 23:21, said:

Per the Grue-Moss card (http://www.ecatsbrid...2/Grue-Moss.pdf), 1H=Most 12+; all 8-11s are shown directly.


Thanks, this is an excellent set of responses to Precision 1!

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Posted 2018-October-05, 16:54

View Poststeve2005, on 2018-October-04, 16:09, said:

In Meck-Lite Precision 1-1 is 8-11 most hands.
Would using 1 as 8-10 be feasible? With the 12+ bids becoming 11+ bids.
Also, has anyone seen a pair playing this or in a write-up?

I recently came across an understanding that I like alot. It's in the G.U.S. system, and they also use the 8-11 range for 1h, but the positives are called "slam positive". Slam positive is defined as 10+ hcp using AKQ only and 3+ controls. Since 1h is listed as 8-11, I assume that any 12+ regardless of jacks or controls is sufficient to call positive, but he continuously iterates that you shouldn't be locked into point count boxes and bid what your hand looks like. What it comes down to, is you are bidding a positive with good 10 and 11 counts, and negative with bad ones.
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Posted 2018-October-05, 21:24

View PostHardVector, on 2018-October-05, 16:54, said:

Slam positive is defined as 10+ hcp using AKQ only and 3+ controls. Since 1h is listed as 8-11, I assume that any 12+ regardless of jacks or controls is sufficient to call positive, but he continuously iterates that you shouldn't be locked into point count boxes and bid what your hand looks like. What it comes down to, is you are bidding a positive with good 10 and 11 counts, and negative with bad ones.

Yes hcp are not the best indicator for slam. but agree most 12+ should be and if they aren't you should be free to downgrade to a 1 bid.
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