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#1 User is offline   aurora 

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Posted 2018-July-13, 03:26

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What should i bid ?

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Posted 2018-July-13, 07:13

Hi,

given that the suit are touching, and that you are not strong enough
to make a reverse (at least HCP wise), start with 1H.
This is reasonable advice for 65 hands, and the advice can be used for
67 hands as well.

Now, ..., it is hard, I guess I am passing.

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Posted 2018-July-13, 08:13

Did this hand come up in a Goulash? It is very difficult to have constructive sequences when you know that there are extreme distributions all around the table.
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Posted 2018-July-13, 09:05

In terms of trick-taking potential the hand is strong enough to reverse BUT I feel you shouldn't reverse on these distributional hands as partner will be expecting so much more in terms of controls generally than this two-suited powerhouse.

Personally, I don't understand partner's bidding. XX followed by 4 is so unconstructive. You have reversed here, he has XXed, so anything other than 4 will be forcing.

Your bid now? Pass or 5. Lucky dip.
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Posted 2018-July-13, 10:14

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2018-July-13, 07:13, said:

Hi,

given that the suit are touching, and that you are not strong enough
to make a reverse (at least HCP wise), start with 1H.
This is reasonable advice for 65 hands, and the advice can be used for
67 hands as well.

Now, ..., it is hard, I guess I am passing.

With kind regards
Marlowe


10 tricks isn't enough for a reverse?

still, opening 1H is a better idea because you expect the auction to be rather competitive.
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Posted 2018-July-13, 11:15

5 for me, clearly.
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Posted 2018-July-13, 15:22

Given that you were not obliged to bid after partner XXed, your jump to 2H tended to show some kind of freakish and weakish (HCP-wise) red 2-suiter (although probably not as extreme as this one LOL). It is not a reverse contrary to what others mentionned.

Despite that, and knowing doubler might have some of them, partner jumped to 4S. So either his 1st bid was not a contender for the best bid hand of the century, or he is not super excited by your hand and wants to end the auction. Maybe after all, hands distributions around the table is partner 7114, LHO 4414, and RHO 2245.

I believe we have to pass (and let partner survive his bidding), but at the table I would not do it quickly enough...and try 5D which would now likely be Xed by LHO sitting behind me with the Hs I so gently advertised.
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Posted 2018-July-13, 15:42

Maybe we should have jumped to 4H not 2h?

I don't know, hard to get sample size on dealing with 7-6 hands to know what works best.

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Posted 2018-July-13, 18:44

First, you don't have to jump to 2 over partner's redouble. Partner has shown values by redoubling and is pretty much duty bound to make another call.

The jump to 2 shows a powerhouse hand. But what you have is a terrific playing hand that looks like it will take at least 10 tricks but only if played in your suits.

You can convey that message by continuing to bid your suits. If partner made a simple new suit bid over 1 , you would show at least 5 and 6 by rebidding 2 . Bidding a second time shows at least 5 and if a lower ranking suit were equal or shorter in length you'd bid first.

I'd rebid 1 and over partner's next call jump in . That should convey the message that your hand is at least 6-5 and then some, but really asks partner to pick a red suit contract.

As for the actual auction, it's likely that partner has jumped with a good expecting oodles of points in your hand. But it was partner's decision to jump to 4 and partner owns that decision. If you bid further, there's no guarantee that partner will provide any help in a 5 level contract.

I'd pass 4 . Your points might provide help in 4 .
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Posted 2018-July-13, 20:45

It seems a little strange that partner did not bid spades at his previous term. But if eg 1 would have been NF in your system, 2 fit and 3 a splinter, partner could have bid 4 to play, so redoubling first means that he was too good to just bid 4, though after your presumably natural GF 2 he was probably too good to do this at his second turn as well.

In any case, with this good a hand, partner should have a red card, and that is all you need to make 5. On the other hand, if he has something like two small singletons (or worse) you will not be able to make a 5-level contract, and will probably contribute 0 tricks to a spade contract. I am not sure whether I would pass or bid 5, but I will definitely be prepared to find that it was the wrong decision.
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Posted 2018-July-13, 23:09

I almost always play 5D as forcing in these sorts of auctions, so I can't bid 5D or 5H as a choice of contracts.

So, what does partner have? Clearly a hand that is too good to simply bid 4S last round, or bid 1S and then 4S if that is how one would show this sort of a hand. But partner also has a forcing option available with either 2S or 3S now. So to me it sounds like long spades, reasonable values but absolutely no help in the red suits. Maybe something like AKQxxxx xx xx KQ.

If I read this all correctly, then my best option is to pass 4S. It's pretty sick on this hand (and I would have bid 4H last round to try and show it), but partner is trying to send a message and I should listen to what I think it is.
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Posted 2018-July-14, 11:28

Was not a goulash tournament just a random TM
Indeed no need to jump in 2♥

This is the hand:
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Posted 2018-July-14, 11:44

View Postaurora, on 2018-July-14, 11:28, said:

Was not a goulash tournament just a random TM
Indeed no need to jump in 2♥

This is the hand:
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Hi,

XX should show a interest in going for blood, if you dont have this interest,
try to describe your hand, if possible.
Most play, that a new suit at the 1 level is still forcing, in contrast to a
new suit at the 2 level, here it is quite common to play it as NF.
Having made the XX, why not bid 2S, which hast to be stronger, i.e. GF, jumping
around is just asking for strange reactions from p, in my opinion you could make
a strong case, that 4S is some kind of splinter. agreeing hearts, and pass (my bid)
risked playing in a 1-0 fit.
The silence of the opponents, makes this unlikely, but what is going on is up to anyones
guess.

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Posted 2018-July-14, 19:40

5!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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