[Ranmit]

Got this hand in a BBO Forum Event 13 match:

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Robot partner really has a gold mine opposite my C - D reverse and a slam should almost be guaranteed, but instead gives a very wrong description of its hand. The 5C bid is described as showing a singleton in clubs, which suggests only a bare minimum fit in D. 5C would probably have been the right bid if it didnt indicate shortness.

PS: Fortunately, the other table also faced a similar bidding sequence and stopped short of what otherwise is a stone cold slam.

[Stephen Tu]

Already reported this hand in other thread
http://www.bridgebas...-4-cds-in-suit/
Note a big problem earlier in auction is supporting diamonds rather than clubs, even if it got the rest of the auction right it risks getting to 6d which fails rather than 6c.

[virgosrock]

Stephen Tu, on 2018-June-16, 00:28, said:

Already reported this hand in other thread
http://www.bridgebas...-4-cds-in-suit/
Note a big problem earlier in auction is supporting diamonds rather than clubs, even if it got the rest of the auction right it risks getting to 6d which fails rather than 6c.

Is there a way to unfollow a post which one is not interested in anymore? Not being rude, just curious.....

[Ranmit]

Stephen Tu, on 2018-June-16, 00:28, said:

Already reported this hand in other thread
http://www.bridgebas...-4-cds-in-suit/
Note a big problem earlier in auction is supporting diamonds rather than clubs, even if it got the rest of the auction right it risks getting to 6d which fails rather than 6c.

Sorry - didnt see that post. Possible to delete this thread?

Yes, the D support over C was very weird - missed the chance for blackwood.

[steve2005]

To not totally agree that missing slam is Gibs fault.
South has 1st or second round control in all suits.
North has shown an unlimited hand with 3D. Yes should be supporting clubs but...
Shouldn't South's bid be 3H to show some slam interest??

[Stephen Tu]

steve2005, on 2018-June-16, 13:14, said:

To not totally agree that missing slam is Gibs fault.
South has 1st or second round control in all suits.
North has shown an unlimited hand with 3D. Yes should be supporting clubs but...
Shouldn't South's bid be 3H to show some slam interest??

Steve, South has a minimum reverse and 3D only showed 8+ not like 11+. At some point South has to limit their hand vs. same sort of hand with in addition ace of diamonds or K of clubs. Cue bidding at this point to show slam interest would just be emphasizing values partner should already be assuming from the reverse, repeating the same values. After limiting their hand, once North pulls 3nt showing a slam try, then of course South is happy to cooperate. Having controls is nice, but hey x Axx Kxxx Axxxx also has controls in all suits, and you are hardly going to reverse then slam try with that right? Cue for slam should generally show more than min in context of previously promised, in the absence of tools like serious/non-serious 3nt. Especially when minor suits are agreed, safety level is lower, and 3nt is a frequently desired resting spot.

Also, one has to define what 3H is supposed to mean. Is it:

• just shape?
• 4th suit grope for 3nt (e.g. holding something like K xx AKxx AKJxxx)
• cue with extras?
• cue without any extras?

[virgosrock]

Stephen Tu, on 2018-June-16, 15:12, said:

Steve, South has a minimum reverse and 3D only showed 8+ not like 11+. At some point South has to limit their hand vs. same sort of hand with in addition ace of diamonds or K of clubs. Cue bidding at this point to show slam interest would just be emphasizing values partner should already be assuming from the reverse, repeating the same values. After limiting their hand, once North pulls 3nt showing a slam try, then of course South is happy to cooperate. Having controls is nice, but hey x Axx Kxxx Axxxx also has controls in all suits, and you are hardly going to reverse then slam try with that right? Cue for slam should generally show more than min in context of previously promised, in the absence of tools like serious/non-serious 3nt. Especially when minor suits are agreed, safety level is lower, and 3nt is a frequently desired resting spot.

Also, one has to define what 3H is supposed to mean. Is it:

• just shape?
• 4th suit grope for 3nt (e.g. holding something like K xx AKxx AKJxxx)
• cue with extras?
• cue without any extras?

over 1c-1s-2h-3c shows 3+ clubs and 8(?)+ points and then 3d is 3+d. would same apply here in that 3H shows 3H?