[virgosrock]

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hand upon hand same story.

vrock

[johnu]

Add 2 points for 4-3-3-3 distribution and you are at 16 points.

[steve2005]

This is a penalty opposite a bid known to have no defense a 2S preempt.
How many pts North shouldn't matter, Gib has 4 defensive tricks.
Gib's program may double on 16 pts but Gib has what it needs, perhaps by accident.

[smerriman]

Steve, you're looking at the wrong bid - 3♦ is the one in question.

[Stephen Tu]

3C is quite a bit of an overbid, not supposed to raise so weakly over a preempt with such garbage and half your points quacks in the opp's suit. Don't preempt over a preempt essentially; cater to your stronger hands so you can bid games. Gib thought 3c is 9-11 total points and I suppose that's approximately right, 8-10 pts and maybe some shape.

Still, East should still pass, it passes at a normal bidding table but for whatever reason decided game was on at your table and was stuck with a bunch of weirdly defined options:
3d is 16-22,
3h is 19-22 for some odd reason
3nt is 18+.
and chose what it thought was least lie I suppose.

If 3c is 9+ then I imagine 3nt should be 16+ with a stop, unbalanced 16/17 or bal 18+, everything else should probably be 16+ naturalish.

[johnu]

Stephen Tu, on 2018-May-22, 16:40, said:

3C is quite a bit of an overbid, not supposed to raise so weakly over a preempt with such garbage and half your points quacks in the opp's suit. Don't preempt over a preempt essentially; cater to your stronger hands so you can bid games. Gib thought 3c is 9-11 total points and I suppose that's approximately right, 8-10 pts and maybe some shape..

A solid 9 GIB points at least. 7 points in HCP, and 1 point for each doubleton, maybe even an extra point for a 5th club. I can't find any flaws in this valuation or the description.