[Deanrover]

red v white

p-1♦-2♥ to you with

♠ QJ9542
♥ A2
♦ -----
♣ JT872

Which bid is best?

Assume 2 ♠ is forcing.

[jdulmage]

Not really sure your auction here. So it's P-1♦-2♥-??? Your partner has opened 1♦?

6-5 is too much to put a double on, you have to be the driver, bid 2♠, if partner rebids 3♦, which is most likely going to happen, I bid 4♣, I want to be in game and if I can get to my partner's hand, I can pitch what surely is a losing heart trick and maybe a club or two if in spades.

[HeartA]

2♠ or dbl. Since I play NFB, 2♠ is obvious.

With a pd who doesn't play NFB, I would dbl and bid 3♠ over pd's 3♦. If pd, over my dbl, bid 2♠ or 3♣, I would cue-bid 3♥ and pull 3NT (if pd bid so) to 4 of (black) suit pd bid. If pd bid 2NT over my dbl, I would simply bid 4♠.

[cherdano]

I think I would bid 2♠ whether I am playing NFB or not. I just don't want to hide a reasonable 6-card spade suit until opponents jump to 4♥.

[mike777]

HeartA, on Apr 12 2005, 09:58 PM, said:

2♠ or dbl.  Since I play NFB, 2♠ is obvious.

With a pd who doesn't play NFB, I would dbl and bid 3♠ over pd's 3♦.  If pd, over my dbl, bid 2♠ or 3♣, I would cue-bid 3♥ and pull 3NT (if pd bid so) to 4 of (black) suit pd bid.  If pd bid 2NT over my dbl, I would simply bid 4♠.

Common issue:

Is NFB "on" standard after a weak jump overcall? If so can anyone quote a source?

Alert! In rereading Bergen volume 2, eighth edition 2001 it appears NFB are on.
Alert2 Bergen plays a simple raise of NFB as preemptive, is this standard?
Alert 3 Good Grief he plays NFB 3-11 in theory. I better reread this chapter!

[whereagles]

I bid 2S, and no, I also don't play negative free bids.

[P_Marlowe]

2S nonforcing.

You are near maximum for this bid,
but sometimes this happens.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Free]

2♠, NF

[joker_gib]

whereagles, on Apr 13 2005, 03:29 AM, said:

I bid 2S, and no, I also don't play negative free bids.

Same for me : 2♠ !


You don't need too much for game even if the ♦ void in partner suit is not great news.


Alain

[Walddk]

2♠, forcing, so NFB here. Let me worry about the continuation later.

Roland

[ochinko]

2♠ (forcing) from me too. A game looks quite probable.

Petko

[P_Marlowe]

mike777, on Apr 12 2005, 10:40 PM, said:

HeartA, on Apr 12 2005, 09:58 PM, said:

2♠ or dbl.  Since I play NFB, 2♠ is obvious.

With a pd who doesn't play NFB, I would dbl and bid 3♠ over pd's 3♦.  If pd, over my dbl, bid 2♠ or 3♣, I would cue-bid 3♥ and pull 3NT (if pd bid so) to 4 of (black) suit pd bid.  If pd bid 2NT over my dbl, I would simply bid 4♠.

Common issue:

Is NFB "on" standard after a weak jump overcall? If so can anyone quote a source?

Alert! In rereading Bergen volume 2, eighth edition 2001 it appears NFB are on.
Alert2 Bergen plays a simple raise of NFB as preemptive, is this standard?
Alert 3 Good Grief he plays NFB 3-11 in theory. I better reread this chapter!

Hi,

NFB is not necessarily on after a WJO, but that does not mean,
that 2S has to be forcing...

I play Good-Bad 2 NT, a convention you will probably also find
in "Better Bidding with Bergen" Vol. 2, since this convention was
developed by Bergen.

Playing this convention you have the ability describe hands,
1) with which you are only fighting for a part score,
2) with which one wants to force to game,
3) with which one wants only to invite (possible e.g. if you happen to
have the spade suit)

The given hand falls in category 1) or 3), depends on your personal
attidtude to life, is your glas always half empty (mine glass always is)
or is it always half full.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Chamaco]

2S would be forcing, guaranteeing 10 points in REAL HCP not only distribution.
It's not a matter of being a point-counter, but rather a matter of cooperation with pard if he has to guess later if doubling or not.
2S must have 1.5/2+ quick tricks in case of defense.
2S would be an assertion: we have the majority of hcps, with all the forcing pass consequences, and if we start overbidding our hand by an Ace, pard will have a hard time deciding whether penalizing or not frisky opps.
So we may stretch 2S with a VERY good 9 (AKQ or similar), but it's the real minimum.

I double and bid 3S over any pard's rebid.
Double then suit shows an invitational hand in terms of distribution, usually a 6+ card suit, and that's what we have.
We will not lose spades if he have fit there, but it is true that doing so we might lose a club fit.

However, we are likely to lose clubs also if we bid 2S (pard will rebid diamonds 90% of the times, and I do not think we want to rebid 4C, which should show a slammish hand).

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Perhaps this hand is an advertisement for NFB :-)

[hotShot]

2♠, if partner is weak, that is enough, if partner is strong, i'll be able to show ♣ or rise.

[inquiry]

With Misho, I would DBL. This shows 5+ ♠, but is forcing only to the level of 2♠, but artner does not have to bid 2♠. This double can be weak or strong. If partner rebids 2♠ or 3♦ I pass, if he bids 2[nt], I will bid 3♣, if he bids 3♣ I will cue-bid 3♥ and force to game in clubs, if he rebids 3NT, I will put us in 4♠. With everyone else, 2♠ and hope I don't get too high.

Ben

[Deanrover]

For those who advocate 2 ♠ non forcing, that is indeed quite appetising, but this was a pick up partnership thus 2 ♠ should be assumed to be forcing IMO.

[P_Marlowe]

Deanrover, on Apr 13 2005, 09:43 AM, said:

For those who advocate 2 ♠ non forcing, that is indeed quite appetising, but this was a pick up partnership thus 2 ♠ should be assumed to be forcing IMO.

Then bid 2S anyway.
It is a 6 card suit, the quality is also ok,
you are near maximum for the nonforcing
call.

The only alternative to 2S is double,
But do you trust a pickup partner, that
he knows that the seq.

1D - (2H) - X - (Pass)
2NT - (Pass) - 3S - ...

shows a weak hand with long spades, because
he should assume, that a direct 2S is forcing?

Not for my money.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Chamaco]

P_Marlowe, on Apr 13 2005, 03:05 PM, said:

Deanrover, on Apr 13 2005, 09:43 AM, said:

For those who advocate 2 ♠ non forcing, that is indeed quite appetising, but this was a pick up partnership thus 2 ♠ should be assumed to be forcing IMO.

Then bid 2S anyway.

I disagree.
The forcing 2S should be a "power force", inv+ based on hcp and defensive tricks, close to an opener also in terms of defensive tricks.

Those who play 2S as forcing, use dbl and new suit to show length in a decent suit, and invitational values in terms of distribution. This hand complies with this one.
Losing the club suit is annoying, but you will lose the club suit also when you bid 2S and pard repeats diamond (which will happen 90% of the times), so the issue should not be "to lose or not to lose clubs", but rather, to bid more accurately your values in hcp not only shape: since dbl followed by 2 or 3 spades does the job, I'd settle for that.

If one does not like this style, muche better change the system and use negative free bids.