[Gerben42]

The conditions:
1st hand, none vulnerable, 7-board Team match (Victory Points) against weaker opponents.

Extra note: 1♦ shows at least 4 cards.

[inquiry]

Dont you think polls like this should include other? (Yes I know you will get 1000 people telling you a forcing 1♣ (precision, moscito, polish, etc) solves the problem if you did... heck you will get those anyway. I can add other to your poll if you like.

I have four ways to lie on this hand in my system.

Like you I can open 2♦ and if partner bids 2♠ (suggesting stuff in hearts), I can bid 2NT just like you did. If partner jumps to 3H/3S/3NT I can pass (I use 3NT to show 4-4 in majors).

If over my 2♦ partner bids 2♥, I can still rebid 2NT, but this maynot be a happy contract. My other alternative is 3♦ showing 9+ tricks with a diamond one suiter. My one suit is not so great, but I do have 4♣, 2♠ and with luck (and strech of the imagination 3.5 ♦ tricks.

I might open 3♦ (Misiry convention) then show minor two suiter, with four losers. I am a club short for this bid, but that AKQJ looks like five to me.

I might open 2♣ and rebid 2NT which I play to show any strong three suiter, I am a spade short for this bid.

I guess I would go with 2♦ and rebid NT or 3♦ based upon partner's bid. (my multi 2!D is weak either major, 23=24 balanced, or 9.5 tricks in a "solidish" minor (well, that part fails).


Ben

[scoob]

inquiry, on Apr 13 2005, 08:41 AM, said:

Dont you think polls like this should include other? (Yes I know you will get 1000 people telling you a forcing 1♣ (precision, moscito, polish, etc) solves the problem if you did... heck you will get those anyway. I can add other to your poll if you like.

but precision, moscito & polish are not "sayc and 2/1 discussion"

[whereagles]

My plan would be

2C 2D
3D 3H
3NT

or

2C 2D
3D 3NT
4C

[hrothgar]

scoob, on Apr 13 2005, 05:46 PM, said:

inquiry, on Apr 13 2005, 08:41 AM, said:

Dont you think polls like this should include other? (Yes I know you will get 1000 people telling you a forcing 1♣ (precision, moscito, polish, etc) solves the problem if you did... heck you will get those anyway. I can add other to your poll if you like.

but precision, moscito & polish are not "sayc and 2/1 discussion"

Neither is a strong, artificial and forcing 2♦ opening, however, its part of the poll...

With this said and done, i'd open 1♦. I hate 2♣ openings on hands like this... You'll never have enough room after 2♣ to describe both minors and a spade fragment.

[P_Marlowe]

2C, intending to bid 3D.

The only trouble is the great quality of the suit,
but if the suit would have been better, this would
not have been a problem.

If partner bids hearts natural, I will bid 3NT,
if partner bids spade natural I will bid 4S.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[hotShot]

Playing SAYC this is a clear 2♣ opening.
Your partner will usually bid 2♦ waiting, andyou can show 2♦ your 5card suit. If partner passes tough luck. If he bids ♥ you can go for NT else you might have another fit.

[scoob]

hrothgar, on Apr 13 2005, 09:00 AM, said:

Neither is a strong, artificial and forcing 2♦ opening, however, its part of the poll...

touche

[Walddk]

I will open 1♦, unless I can open a Multi 2♦ followed by 3♣ to show diamonds and clubs.

2♣ followed by 3♦ is hopeless, mainly because no one knows what 3♥/3♠ from responder is next. Suit or a feature? I don't want to guess if he bids 3♠ on perhaps Qxx.

I guess you 2♣ opener will raise to 4♠ in case he really has a spade suit. I wish you good luck with your 3-3 fit.

Roland

[mike777]

2C

Very tempting to open 1D

If 2D promises a K+ and game forcing then rebid of 3d may work out ok.
IF p bids 2H promising zero controls then 3D non forcing is enough.

[pbleighton]

1D. 3-1 in the majors, you are unlikely to be passed out, and you need the bidding space.

Peter

[cherdano]

Walddk, on Apr 13 2005, 05:20 PM, said:

2♣ followed by 3♦ is hopeless, mainly because no one knows what 3♥/3♠ from responder is next. Suit or a feature? I don't want to guess if he bids 3♠ on perhaps Qxx.

I guess you 2♣ opener will raise to 4♠ in case he really has a spade suit. I wish you good luck with your 3-3 fit.

Either you didn't read the poll, or you assume partner is hopeless. 2♣ denies a 4-card major. Why should partner pass 4♠ in the 3-3 fit?

Arend

[cherdano]

inquiry, on Apr 13 2005, 03:41 PM, said:

Dont you think polls like this should include other? (Yes I know you will get 1000 people telling you a forcing 1♣ (precision, moscito, polish, etc) solves the problem if you did... heck you will get those anyway. I can add other to your poll if you like.

I guess Gerben wanted this to be a judgement poll, not a bidding system poll. Either is interesting and fun, of course.

Arend

[han]

Agree with Arend that you can safely raise spades after 2C-2D-3D-3S, partner will know you have only 3 of them.

However, it is true that there is little hope of a succesful auction after this start. 1D has the disadvantage that you will be playing there when game is cold on some hands, but the advantage that you may be able to show what's in your hand on some others.

My partners respond on very little when holding a 5-card major, so I would bid a hopeful 1D.

[HeartA]

2♣.

[ochinko]

pbleighton, on Apr 13 2005, 11:34 AM, said:

1D. 3-1 in the majors, you are unlikely to be passed out, and you need the bidding space.

My thoughts exactly. Not only opps are likely to intervene but even partner will bid 2M with a weak hand and 6 cards if you play WJO.

Petko

[Gerben42]

Let me comment on why I did not put "other" in my poll. If you are at the table you can not change the system. These are the options I had so these are the options you have.

For me the "Sayc and 2/1" Forum means "Standard System" Forum. Although this may not include a strong and forcing 2♦ for some, it does for this poll as is reflected by the options.

As you know I play a wide variety of systems and have my own ideas what works and what not. I would have no problem with the opening bid in any of my other systems as they all put all the 19+ hands in one place (or in 4 places in case of Fantunes-System)

As for what happened: I chose 2♣ then 3♦ after the negative 2♦. As there was no way to a reasonable contract in the given system anyway there is no result for the poll, but I found it interesting to see if anyone would sell this as a NT or 1♦ hand.

[luke warm]

playing sayc or 2/1 there's no way i open anything other than 2♣

[Fluffy]

About 40% for 1♦, last poll like these we got only 20%, seems we are improving .