[pclayton]

Scoring: MP

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Matchpoints, club game. You open 1♣ (playing 2/1). 1♦ on left, negative double by pard, 1♠ on right.

Your call?

[mike777]

3c

Lets give P:
QXXX
AQXX
XX
XXX

2NT rebid Must force p to game 100%, I assume they will not make neg x on random 6HCP.

[Walddk]

3♣. The ten of clubs makes the difference between 2 and 3. 2♣ would not be a serious underbid though, considering that I likely have ♦KQ over me.

Roland

[hrothgar]

pclayton, on Apr 14 2005, 05:48 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

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Matchpoints, club game. You open 1♣ (playing 2/1). 1♦ on left, negative double by pard, 1♠ on right.

Your call?

I'm going to bid 2♣. I readily admit that this is a conservative position, however:

I have shortness in Hearts, opposite partner's presumed strength..
I have the KQ of Diamonds sitting over me
I have the Kx in Spades which isn't a particularly exiting holding...

As a number of people noted, its very close between 2♣ and 3♣. Guess I'm feeling conservative for a change...

[flytoox]

2C, volunterrily rebid should show more than min. If we have a game, it must be 3N or 5C. If pd cannot move over 2C I dont think we will miss anything.

[HeartA]

flytoox, on Apr 14 2005, 12:37 PM, said:

2C, volunterrily rebid should show more than min. If we have a game, it must be 3N or 5C. If pd cannot move over 2C I dont think we will miss anything.

That's what I voted. I was the first who voted for 2♣.

[Walddk]

flytoox, on Apr 14 2005, 12:37 PM, said:

2C, volunterrily rebid should show more than min. If we have a game, it must be 3N or 5C. If pd cannot move over 2C I dont think we will miss anything.

2♣ doesn't show extras in my book. Well, more clubs and a good suit of course, but not as far as high cards are concerned. This is a 2♣ rebid for me with or without intervention:

Axx
x
xxx
KQJxxx

If I pass this hand now, my clubs could just as well be xxx, or even xx if 1♣ doesn't promise more than two cards. I have a clear message to give my partner with this hand.

As I pointed out earlier, the only thing I don't like about the hand pclayton posts is ♦AJ9x after LHO overcalled diamonds. Nevertheless, I am inclined to bid 3♣.

Roland

[flytoox]

Walddk, on Apr 14 2005, 08:31 PM, said:

flytoox, on Apr 14 2005, 12:37 PM, said:

2C, volunterrily rebid should show more than min. If we have a game, it must be 3N or 5C. If pd cannot move over 2C I dont think we will miss anything.

2♣ doesn't show extras in my book. Well, more clubs and a good suit of course, but not as far as high cards are concerned. This is a 2♣ rebid for me with or without intervention:

Axx
x
xxx
KQJxxx

If I pass this hand now, my clubs could just as well be xxx, or even xx if 1♣ doesn't promise more than two cards. I have a clear message to give my partner with this hand.

As I pointed out earlier, the only thing I don't like about the hand pclayton posts is ♦AJ9x after LHO overcalled diamonds. Nevertheless, I am inclined to bid 3♣.

Roland

I actually think it is quite close between 2C and 3C. The only question presuaded me to 2C is, if pd has 8-10 and doubleton club, would he pass my 2C? I dont think so. Pd will raise to 3C. In that case I can bid 3N happily. If pd has singelton club, then pd will bid 3N if you jump to 3C, but pass if you bid 2C. I think we will never miss a game if pd could not move over 2C. In sum, 2C has much to gain but little to lose.

[flytoox]

Regarding DAJ9x, I personnally dont think it is a minus, I actually quite like it. If it is KJ9x, then i agree it could be a minus.

[P_Marlowe]

2C, prepared to bid 3C.

Lets see what happens next.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[pclayton]

I think all of you are undervaluing the potential of this hand.

What's partner shape?. Likely 4-4 in the majors. 2 to 3 diamonds probably, so a minimum of 2 clubs. How about the opponents? Hearts have got to be 4-4 here, so thats good news. LHO has diamonds, RHO has spades, so clubs aren't foul. LHO most likely has a doubleton spade, but it could be a stiff (bad for club contracts).

I bid 3N, and I think its indicated. I can live with 3 clubs, which will also get you to 3N I think. Yes, 3N could be very wrong if pard has very weak hearts, but that doesn't sound likely. Here's the complete hand:

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I received the ♠10 lead, ducked to my King. Heart up and they can't stop me from taking 9 tricks. I actualy made a 10th in the wash.

Here's the next question: Do you want to PLAY or DEFEND 3N? You can pick any lead.

[flytoox]

3N bid is just plainly wrong in my opinion. The final contract is right doesnt mean the bid is right. After 2C, pd will raise to 3C/4C. You can bid 3N/5C.

[luis]

I wonder how could you answer this question without asking "who is my pd?" isn't that the real question to decide what to bid?
I can think about different pds and I can think about 2c, 3c, and 3NT as options.

About your second question: I want to PLAY 3NT :-)

[luke warm]

i voted for 2nt.. on the actual hand, i'd probably lead the ♥Q if i was defending, then (if it held) a low heart..

[Fluffy]

2♣, to me, really doubt it would end the auction (even on th egiven hand I doubt it would).

I see no way to make it after ♦K/Q lead.

[pclayton]

flytoox, on Apr 15 2005, 09:06 AM, said:

3N bid is just plainly wrong in my opinion. The final contract is right doesnt mean the bid is right. After 2C, pd will raise to 3C/4C. You can bid 3N/5C.

Really?

Is pard's hand so unusual here?

I think a 2♣ rebid will get you to 3N / 5♣ only because pard has a superfluous 4th club. Will pard make a move over 2♣ with the same hand but one less club?

I doubt it.

[flytoox]

pclayton, on Apr 16 2005, 04:39 PM, said:

flytoox, on Apr 15 2005, 09:06 AM, said:

3N bid is just plainly wrong in my opinion. The final contract is right doesnt mean the bid is right. After 2C, pd will raise to 3C/4C. You can bid 3N/5C.

Really?

Is pard's hand so unusual here?

I think a 2♣ rebid will get you to 3N / 5♣ only because pard has a superfluous 4th club. Will pard make a move over 2♣ with the same hand but one less club?

I doubt it.

Yes, even with Qx club he shoudl raise to 3C. I learnt this bidding from Fred when He was commentating vugraph.


Not many know to raise with doulbteon. And this is a good bidding I think. Consider North/south alone without interference, and assume north's hand is Hxxx,Hxxx,xxx,Qx, then after your rebid 2C, he should raise to 3C.

I am quite sure this is correct bidding.

[pclayton]

You want to defend this one; I can't see how to make it either after the ♦K. If its ducked, you get to deal with a ♥ shift. If you win, you can't effective score your spade, then lead up to the ♥K without losing 1♥, 2♠'s and 2♦'s.

In practice its a great contract though, and takes precise defense to beat.