[Chamaco]

Gerben42, on Apr 18 2005, 11:43 AM, said:

So if a gambing hand opens 3m, what does p p p 3NT show?

yu can play 3NT as you like, but I advise against gambling, because it wrongsides the contract even when it is right to play in 3NT.

The hand receiving the lead should be the other.

3NT could be as well undefined, I see nothing wrong in it.
Better having 3NT undefined rather than a bad definition.

If you intend to define 3NT at all cost, it depends on whether you play Namyats in 4th seat.

[42]

I like the idea of a 3m-opening bid in 4th seat with such hands. Recently I had the same problem in the league. Since the stack was in ♣s I decided to open a precision 2♣ which became the final contract. 3NT played by p was cold. Gambling 3NT is mainly a preemptive bid, in 4th seat it makes no sense tmho.

Caren

[pclayton]

Unlucky that both your opponents passed opening bids.

I still like 3N. My condolences, Gerben.

[Antoine Fourrière]

4♦ should show that kind of hand in the passout seat, giving the choice between pass, a natural 4N (4N from pard's hand may be easier than 3N from your hand) or 5/6♦.
3♦ seems more useful as a bar bid, with something like x AQ KQJxxx xxxx.

For the record, a two-way 3♠ (natural or solid diamonds) wouldn't have worked too well on this hand. (No, I'm not implying it is a silly convention.)

[Chamaco]

Antoine Fourrière, on Apr 19 2005, 09:19 AM, said:

4♦ should show that kind of hand in the passout seat, giving the choice between pass, a natural 4N (4N from pard's hand may be easier than 3N from your hand) or 5/6♦.
3♦ seems more useful as a bar bid, with something like  x  AQ  KQJxxx  xxxx.

For the record, a two-way 3♠ (natural or solid diamonds) wouldn't have worked too well on this hand. (No, I'm not implying it is a silly convention.)

4D has a point to be played that way.

However, I like to keep Namyats in 4th seat too, so that a 4M opener, even if good, is not well defined like a Namyats: in the rare cases you hold a Namyats hand and all have passed, slam is not unlikely.

I much prefer using 3m for all solid minors, even with extra playing strength, and TREAT IT AS FORCING 1ROUND.
It tells pard "Pard I have AT LEAST a Gambling hand, bid something".

This way, the 3m opener has still the chance to show extras if his pard refuses 3NT.

I do not like much the "bar bid" you suggest: I would open this 1D, I do have a 6 card suit, but it is NOT solid AND 50% of my values are outside diamonds, and if opps outgun me in spades, too bad.
If I am really afraid of being outgunned, I'll passout.

[whereagles]

Well, I went from

No namyats ---> namyats in all seats ---> namyats in 1st 2nd only ---> no namyats at all

Talk about going back to basics... lol Now seriously, in practice I notice a 4m pree is more valuable than a distinguishing from a good and bad 4M bid.

[inquiry]

whereagles, on Apr 19 2005, 07:59 AM, said:

Well, I went from

No namyats ---> namyats in all seats ---> namyats in 1st 2nd only ---> no namyats at all

Talk about going back to basics... lol Now seriously, in practice I notice a 4m pree is more valuable than a distinguishing from a good and bad 4M bid.

Third seat, four level preempt have value, but to preempt in four of a minor in front of parnter can be a disaster as 3NT has just gone bye-bye as a possible contract. Once partner has passed, of course, this is no longer a concern.

On this hand I would just open 1♦.

Ben

[Chamaco]

whereagles, on Apr 19 2005, 11:59 AM, said:

Talk about going back to basics... lol Now seriously, in practice I notice a 4m pree is more valuable than a distinguishing from a good and bad 4M bid.

Sure enough, but in the 4th seat, with no opps to preempt, would you prefer a preemptive oriented 4m or a 4m namyats to allow for tight slams ?

[pclayton]

I can see 3♦ and 3N opener being about a trick different in 4th chair. No need to differentiate on the suit quality; both should show excellent suits.

Perhaps a NAMYATS call in 4th should show exactly 10 tricks and 4 of a major would show 9. Or 9 and 8.

[mike777]

P_Marlowe, on Apr 18 2005, 04:39 AM, said:

Chamaco, on Apr 18 2005, 04:33 AM, said:

Well, your opps were cold for 4 spades. Even going down in 3NT not a big issue, no?

Well, on the other hand, your own side is cold for 5D,
and even 5C is a reasonable contract.

With kind regards
Marlowe

I c.